Committee of Union and Progress
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Blondie
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of course you wouldn't
herodotus
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There are some parallelsto MAGA, but these parallels far more insult CUP than they do MAGA. However, to be quite honest, the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the rise of a Turkish republic are not really something I ever paid that much attention to so it does merit study before I give more of an opinion
sukie
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You’re being kinda shitty towards me. Perhaps I need to give you a longer answer to rustle up a decent response from you.
I don’t see the parallels with the fact the Young Turks ended an absolute Monarchy and established a constitutionalist government
Constitutionalist leanings
Liberal ideological beginings
Progressivism
Yes there was bad stuff like ethnic erasure of Armenians , Greeks, and Assyrians but that’s not happening here.
The organization began as a liberal reform movement, and the autocratic government of Sultan Abdul Hamid II(r. 1876–1909) persecuted it because of its calls for constitutional government and reform. Most of its members were exiled and arrested after a failed coup-attempt in 1896 which started a period infighting among émigré Young Turk communities in Europe. Don’t see any parallels
The main Rival politically was the conservatives.
Now I will once again state… Don’t see it.
Blondie
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I am surprised at this response from you. I have gone down the Ottoman Empire from the rise to the fall, and the CUP formed a coup, rigged the general elections of 1912 with electoral fraud and violence and lead to the downfall of the Ottoman Empire ..
herodotus
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Turkey was always on the periphery of what I focused on. By the way, in addition to wiki, do you have any books on the matter?
Blondie
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So, I am currently listening to an audiobook book by Kenneth Karl, PhD, PUBLISHED BY: THE GREAT COURSES on the Rise and fall of the Ottoman Empire. Absolutely fascinating!!!
And thanks to you there is also a pdf attached to the audiobook that I just learned when I pulled it up to get the info to give to you!!
There are 36 lecture sessions and I listen to it on my drive into work!!
It is actually. The erasure happening here is for historical contributions of women, black people, and trans people.
Hell, the other day I saw that a website photo caption about a famous gay and trans rights activist literally had been lazily changed from "fought tirelessly for gay and trans rights" to "fought tirelessly for gay and rights"
sukie
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As repulsive as that is that isn’t equivalent to eradicating physical groups of people.
Stories can be rewritten
I'm surprised it gave him that much credit
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herodotus
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Correct, Turkey, the US during Indian Removal and Slavery, Nazi Germany, Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Australia, Great Britain, France, Russia/Soviet Union, Ukraine, Iraq, Belgium and its Congo, Israel etc, the erasure NEVER starts with mass murder but with what Michel Foucault would call the otherization aka dehumanizing agitprop.
The Einsatzgruppen and death camps were still years away when Nazi propaganda artists pumped out Eternal Jew and Jud Suess, and when they were doing the Nuremberg laws.
Anti Greek, Armenian, etc Genocide in WWI was preceeded by a lengthy agitprop and lawfare campaign. In fact Hitler believed the world wouldn't take notice of his "Final Solution" because nobody denounced the Turks.
The USSR? The purges and mass murder of class enemies, party members, and military were preceeded by extensive propaganda some of which I've seen first hand examples, films such as The Party Card. Placards declaring death to the Kulaks, etc.
Great Britain and France and Belgium. Don't listen to these wogs, n**ers redskins, slant eyes, dusky Indians etc we are here to civilize them. We are forced to brutally crack down on them because as Uppy used to say, "they are primitive savages."
Israel, take a good look at Justasportsfan's posts on Billszone. On second thought, save your sanity and don't. However, you see the demonization of women and children and denial and accusations are accused that they are making fake movies.
Rwanda, they are cockroaches. Kill them.
Our own history, the only good Indian is a dead one. . . .
Never ever do people just go out and killing. Mass propaganda campaigns & lawfare always precede the mass murders. So yes, you and I and anyone who loves human rights should be very alarmed that the contributions of women, racial minorities, lgbtq, and supporters of their rights and human rights in general are being removed.