Mid air collision over the Potomac

cookin_peacocks

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Not even needing to go into conspiracies on this one, but how the fuck did this happen? Everything that needed to go wrong for this to happen did. Air Traffic control didn't do their job, the blackhawk didn't do its, and the airplane didn't do its. So awful.
 
Not even needing to go into conspiracies on this one, but how the fuck did this happen? Everything that needed to go wrong for this to happen did. Air Traffic control didn't do their job, the blackhawk didn't do its, and the airplane didn't do its. So awful.
The plane got diverted to a diverted to a runaway at the last minute.
 
The plane got diverted to a diverted to a runaway at the last minute.
The helo was coming from below which is often a bit of a blind spot.

ATC advised the helo of traffic and the helo pilot acknowledged that. It is possible he saw a different craft as a plane was taking off at that time
 
It should also be noted a few other things.

The plane was descending and was about 300 feet off the he ground. It was about 7 seconds away from touching down. At this stage, your committed because even applying TOGO power (take off/go around) it takes several seconds for the inputs to reach the engines, spool the engines up, adjust flap settings, ect. You're also monitoring your flight speed to avoid a stall and your sink rate.

The flight deck is very focused at this time on many things. A helo coming in from their side and underneath is not something really you're focused on, you're given clearance to land. Hence why ATC was advising the helo of the traffic and giving them their instructions to avoid.

Again, I'm unsure how this will all shake out. But it's not like the flight deck was just taking in the scenery and unbothered. Even if they had saw the helo 4 seconds before, a commercial airliner, even one as small as a CRJ regional jet, isn't a nimble f-18 super hornet that can take aggressive evasive action (though if they had seen the helo, they certainly would have tried)
 
Tragedies happen. The rush to blame and making every single bad incident a political causality is ridiculous. They will find out what went wrong . All those people that are now dead are gone and blaming DEI or Biden or Mayor Pete is disgusting.
 
Ugh!! Seems like the Helicopter should have seen the plane, but that's easier said than done, I'm sure
So the helo was doing night vision training with NVG. The only way I can think this happened was the helo simply was looking at another aircraft. Because landing strobes and landing lights in night vision would basically blind you. Which is the other possibility. The helo pilot was blinded and simply didn't take action. you can also see the CRJ is banked. The CRJ never saw them as the plane was banked away from the helo, and hyper focused on the runway.
 
So the helo was doing night vision training with NVG. The only way I can think this happened was the helo simply was looking at another aircraft. Because landing strobes and landing lights in night vision would basically blind you. Which is the other possibility. The helo pilot was blinded and simply didn't take action. you can also see the CRJ is banked. The CRJ never saw them as the plane was banked away from the helo, and hyper focused on the runway.
Right! The lights are definitely a possibility.
 

Two workers at Metropolitan Washington Airports arrested after leaking video of deadly DC plane crash to CNN​


Two employees at the Metropolitan Washington Airports Authority have been arrested over leaked video of an American Airlines passenger jet colliding with an Army helicopter.

The plane, carrying 60 passengers and four crew members, was approaching Reagan National Airport on Wednesday night when it was hit by a Black Hawk Army helicopter conducting a training flight.

Footage of the extraordinary incident quickly went viral, sparking frenzied conspiracy theories online.

That video was leaked to CNN by two members of staff at the airport, authorities now say, according to ABC.

The duo have been charged with computer trespass for allegedly making the unauthorized copy from Airports Authority records.

Mohamed Lamine Mbengue, 21, of Rockville, Maryland, was arrested on January 31 over the breach. He was booked into Arlington County Adult Detention Center but later released.

Then on Sunday, 45-year-old Jonathan Savoy, from Upper Marlboro, Maryland, was arrested for the same incident. He was released on a summons by a magistrate.

Washington DC's airspace is notoriously congested and there have been mounting fears that a tragedy was on the horizon.

Video from an observation camera at the nearby Kennedy Center shows two sets of lights consistent with aircraft appearing to conjoin in a fireball


Video from an observation camera at the nearby Kennedy Center shows two sets of lights consistent with aircraft appearing to conjoin in a fireball

Mohamed Lamine Mbengue, 21, of Rockville, Maryland , was arrested on January 31 over the breach. He was booked into Arlington County Adult Detention Center but later released


Mohamed Lamine Mbengue, 21, of Rockville, Maryland , was arrested on January 31 over the breach. He was booked into Arlington County Adult Detention Center but later released

A large portion of the damaged plane fuselage is lifted from the Potomac River during recovery efforts after the American Airlines crash on February 03, 2025 in Arlington, Virginia


A large portion of the damaged plane fuselage is lifted from the Potomac River during recovery efforts after the American Airlines crash on February 03, 2025 in Arlington, Virginia
Former House Transportation and Infrastructure Chair Peter DeFazio told Politico that lawmakers had ignored warnings in favor of adding more routes to make travel more convenient for them.

'Every senator in particular wants a nonstop flight to and from wherever they live,' he said.

'The airport said, ''Don't do it.'' And they did it. So they added to what DCA said is already an overly congested and over-capacity airport.'

Since 2000, an additional 60 flights have been added into the airport.

Disturbing footage of Wednesday night's crash raised questions about how it possibly could have occurred, given it was a relatively clear night and the plane was visible in the path of the helicopter.

The National Transportation Safety Board revealed that preliminary data showed conflicting readings about their altitudes at the time of the catastrophic collision.

Data from the passenger jet's flight recorder showed its altitude as 325 feet, plus or minus 25 feet, when the crash happened Wednesday night. Data in the control tower, though, showed the Black Hawk helicopter at 200 feet at the time.

The 100-foot discrepancy is yet to be explained, but if the impact did occur at 325ft, the crash would have occurred well-above the maximum allowed altitude of 200ft for helicopters in the area.

Investigators hope to reconcile the altitude differences with data from the helicopter's black box, which is taking more time to retrieve because it became waterlogged after it plunged into the Potomac River. They also said they plan to refine the tower data, which can be less reliable.

A forensic team collects a piece of debris from the Potomac River


A forensic team collects a piece of debris from the Potomac River

The accident occurred when an American Airlines jet from Wichita, Kansas collided with the Black Hawk over Washington DC Wednesday night, killing all 67 people aboard the two aircraft


The accident occurred when an American Airlines jet from Wichita, Kansas collided with the Black Hawk over Washington DC Wednesday night, killing all 67 people aboard the two aircraft

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No one survived the collision, which occurred as an American Airlines flight from Wichita, Kansas, with 64 people on board was preparing to land at Ronald Reagan National Airport
Investigator in charge, Brice Banning, described the investigation as 'complex', noting: 'There are a lot of pieces here. Our team is working hard to gather this data.'

Banning also discussed the last moments from the jet's two black boxes, which captured sound in the cockpit and flight data.

'The crew had a verbal reaction,' he said, with the data recorder showing 'the airplane beginning to increase its pitch.

'Sounds of impact were audible about one second later, followed by the end of the recording.'

First responders confirmed Sunday that 55 of the 67 victims of America's deadliest crash since 2001 have been identified.

Investigators began conducting interviews with air traffic control personnel on Monday, as well as with American Airlines and the U.S. Army on the operations side.

'We're going to have to understand what are standard operating procedures' for a helicopter training mission, National Transportation Safety Board Chair Jennifer Homendy said.

The passenger jet¿s two black boxes captured sound in the cockpit and flight data. A crane retrieves part of the wreckage from the Potomac River, in the aftermath of the collision


The passenger jet’s two black boxes captured sound in the cockpit and flight data. A crane retrieves part of the wreckage from the Potomac River, in the aftermath of the collision
Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy posed a series of questions about the crash on morning television news programs Sunday.

'What was happening inside the towers? Were they understaffed?' he asked on CNN.

'The position of the Black Hawk, the elevation of the Black Hawk, were the pilots of the Black Hawk wearing night vision goggles?'

Then on Fox News, Duffy announced that the Federal Aviation Administration was looking into staffing at the control tower.

'Staffing shortages for air traffic control has been a major problem for years and years,' he said.

Duffy promised President Donald Trump’s administration would address shortages with 'bright, smart, brilliant people in towers controlling airspace.'
 
Instead of improving air traffic control and making flying even safer than it is, lets not kid ourselves as to what Trump is going to try to use this tragedy to achieve. Remember his 35 day shutdown in 2018-2019? Guess who ended that? The air traffic control people. They called in sick en masse. When the the lives of the oligarchs were put on hold by the little people standing in soldarity shit got done and Trump's 35 day temper tantrum came to an end. Trump has never forgotten or forgiven. When he speaks of quality people he means fire the Union people who stood up for themselves and bring in non union Trump Toadies.

Its also been a dream of his to get women out of the military. Okay, in combat units I agree, you cannot have two physical fitness standards. In infantry, armor, artillery where you are in the front lines everyone more or less should he held to the same strength and conditioning standards. It saves lives. On the other hand, in non frontline combat specialties, intel collection and interpretation, snipers (Lyudmilla Pavlichenko speaks for the ability of all women snipers for all time and places) can be women, the logistics network (no matter how tough your army is trained, how well trained or led it is, how well armed it is with the most high tech weapons if you don't have logistical superiority you're fucked before you even begin), piloting aircraft, there are many many things a woman can do as good as a man and as seen in the case of Pavlichenko maybe even better than a man.

Trump will also use this to cheaply and shamelessly settle scores. The Blackhawk pilot's record as a pilot is not under scrutiny, her gender (see above paragraph) and political leanings are. Her name is going to be smeared because she was a Biden operative. Assholes are in uproar because her family deleted her social media presence after she died? I can assure you that probably only happened after unhinged assholes took a massive shit on her memory.
 
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