MIT Forecasts Civilization Will Fall By 2040

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MIT has created a model called the limits to growth which calculates that civilization will collapse by 2040 if it keeps going business as usual. But how accurate is this model and what will cause this 'collapse'?

Further concentration of wealth in the one half of one percent of the population is a big reason. Indeed, the continued acquisition of assets by private equity firms globally is bothersome.

Access to water and resources. Haber-Bosch managed the issue of yield. The trouble is, we have a groundwater issue brewing. We can toss it on the pile of out of sight/out of mind though. I'm talking about the depletion of GROUNDWATER resources across America, including, the Central and Midwest portions. Our agriculture is using up the resources faster than the aquifers can recharge. link, link, link

Simply, reliers upon overbuilt urbs in waterless areas are going to go through some things, just as those located on coastlines and floodplains with all kinds of water. As to agriculture, the problem is in areas with extensive crop irrigation.
 
why did I come home after an awful day in the OR, to learn that I am not ever going to become a grandmother?

that's all I took away from this video .. the Republicans don't give a fuck about our future.
 
Blondie said:
why did I come home after an awful day in the OR, to learn that I am not ever going to become a grandmother?

that's all I took away from this video .. the Republicans don't give a fuck about our future.
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That is the one good thing I can say about Z and Alpha. Boomers are on the way out, and while X and Millennials are cynical and losing their idealism, Z and Alpha are still possessed by a fervent zeal that they can change things. They also have the energy and dynamism to do so.

So don't sell your kids short.
 
herodotus said:
That is the one good thing I can say about Z and Alpha. Boomers are on the way out, and while X and Millennials are cynical and losing their idealism, Z and Alpha are still possessed by a fervent zeal that they can change things. They also have the energy and dynamism to do so.

So don't sell your kids short.
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Thanks, we really do have some good kids. 1 son is in RN program, started his career as a lifeguard. Went on to EMT school, then got job at hospital as transporter, trained for Patient Care Technician, and is now in RN program. Got made props for that one. 2nd son is doing a plumbing apprenticeship, is almost a journeyman... god knows we all need a good plumber (right Elvis?? LOL) Daughter, my little warrior, earned her bachelors in psychology at the young age of 19, and is taking a gap year at a paid internship working with autistic kids, and is then getting her masters in psychology w/license for mental health therapy.
 
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I would say 2040 to 2070 would be correct.

I sense that the open displays of selfishness over the past 10-20 years is due to people simply not giving a fuck about the future of humanity.

It is also an illegitimate reason for younger generations to be unmotivated.

Me, I am going to live each day with personal pride striving to improve myself and the lives of people I touch simply because I know no other way.
 
herodotus said:
That is the one good thing I can say about Z and Alpha. Boomers are on the way out, and while X and Millennials are cynical and losing their idealism, Z and Alpha are still possessed by a fervent zeal that they can change things. They also have the energy and dynamism to do so.

So don't sell your kids short.
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Everyone has approaching middle-aged idealism and the belief that they will make a profound impact on the world. I did when I was in my 30s. I tried to hang onto it in my 40s and might have if it wasn't for the circumstances I put myself in that drug me to Illinois. In my 50s, it was gone, as it usually happens with most of us. Now I'm 60 and just want to find a way to keep living on my terms.
 
SpikedLemonade said:
I would say 2040 to 2070 would be correct.

I sense that the open displays of selfishness over the past 10-20 years is due to people simply not giving a fuck about the future of humanity.

It is also an illegitimate reason for younger generations to be unmotivated.
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This. While my 19-year-old is a great kid, she's the exception.
My 16, about to be 17 yr old is more the rule. She has no sense of discipline or incentive to do anything but be a pain in the ass, mouthy little monster who thinks she can do or say whatever she wants without consequence.
All that matters to these teens are their phones and talking shit about each other.
She does NOTHING she's supposed. Obeys no rules and is wasteful to a fault and this is ALL of them. Talking to other parents, teachers, etc, it's all the same story

SpikedLemonade said:
Me, I am going to live each day with personal pride striving to improve myself and the lives of people I touch simply because I know no other way.
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I met the woman of my dreams and looking for the green light to run off into the sunset together
 
HipKat said:
This. While my 19-year-old is a great kid, she's the exception.
My 16, about to be 17 yr old is more the rule. She has no sense of discipline or incentive to do anything but be a pain in the ass, mouthy little monster who thinks she can do or say whatever she wants without consequence.
All that matters to these teens are their phones and talking shit about each other.
She does NOTHING she's supposed. Obeys no rules and is wasteful to a fault and this is ALL of them. Talking to other parents, teachers, etc, it's all the same story
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Congrats on the naturally good kid. With the less disciplined one, she doesn't have to be perfect but she should be basically respectful and at least obey the rules that are critical to her own future well being (as you determine them). I'd including having a few chores to do as part of that list.

So WHY would she still have a phone if she "obeys no rules?" That should be the first thing to go and she can earn it back with reasonable (not perfect) behavior. Unless I misunderstand how you're portraying this and she's paying for her own phone or living off on her own somehow, I don't see how she gets the privilege of a phone without at least an attempt at following some family rules. I'm not saying this for your sake, but more so for hers. If she doesn't learn the rules of cause and effect now, the world will teach it to her in a few short years and it won't be pretty. We want the best for all our kids, and you still have a couple years to teach that lesson!

On the MIT thing I'll raise you a Harvard guy:

KINGSTON, R. I., Nov. 18 (AP)—A Harvard biochemist says civilization will end within 15 to 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing man kind. Dr. George Wald, a Nobel Prize winner and antiwar figure, made the statement in a speech at the University of Rhode Island on Monday.

Date of speech: Nov. 1970
 
IrishLass said:
On the MIT thing I'll raise you a Harvard guy:

KINGSTON, R. I., Nov. 18 (AP)—A Harvard biochemist says civilization will end within 15 to 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing man kind. Dr. George Wald, a Nobel Prize winner and antiwar figure, made the statement in a speech at the University of Rhode Island on Monday.

Date of speech: Nov. 1970
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So he said the Cold War endangered mankind if we didn't end it within 30 years and then it ended within 30 years. What is your point?
 
IrishLass said:
Congrats on the naturally good kid. With the less disciplined one, she doesn't have to be perfect but she should be basically respectful and at least obey the rules that are critical to her own future well being (as you determine them). I'd including having a few chores to do as part of that list.

So WHY would she still have a phone if she "obeys no rules?" That should be the first thing to go and she can earn it back with reasonable (not perfect) behavior. Unless I misunderstand how you're portraying this and she's paying for her own phone or living off on her own somehow, I don't see how she gets the privilege of a phone without at least an attempt at following some family rules. I'm not saying this for your sake, but more so for hers. If she doesn't learn the rules of cause and effect now, the world will teach it to her in a few short years and it won't be pretty. We want the best for all our kids, and you still have a couple years to teach that lesson!

On the MIT thing I'll raise you a Harvard guy:

KINGSTON, R. I., Nov. 18 (AP)—A Harvard biochemist says civilization will end within 15 to 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing man kind. Dr. George Wald, a Nobel Prize winner and antiwar figure, made the statement in a speech at the University of Rhode Island on Monday.

Date of speech: Nov. 1970
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She has chores. She's never done them correctly or at all without being told and then screamed at with threats of deportation to local homeless camps first.....

I've taken her phone away. It's meant home in walls but really, she's in the direction and needs anything live music to keep her from really losing her mind...
 
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