Bills vs Chiefs 2.0

Predict the outcome

  • Bills by 1-4

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Bills by 5-9

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Bills by 10+

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chiefs by 1-4

    Votes: 1 14.3%
  • Chiefs by 5-9

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Chiefs by 10+

    Votes: 1 14.3%

  • Total voters
    7
Clearly you have thought all those strategies out and I respect that Sukie.

I assume with all that thinking there was plenty of stinking.

I sense a freedom of mind and keystrokes from you that only comes from having a cleansed colon.
I am now such a well “oiled” machine. My new metabolism creates very little waste. I Shat like a chihuahua

Oh and it’s Avocado Oil
 
Way too much scrolling in a gameday thread just to say GO BILLS!

Murdalize them!
Bite their faces!!!

I want KC fans leaving early in the fourth

Children born this night. Boy or girl will be named Josh.
here's two two massive new waves of babies in the Mafia in late October and early November
 
Way too much scrolling in a gameday thread just to say GO BILLS!

Murdalize them!
Bite their faces!!!

I want KC fans leaving early in the fourth

Children born this night. Boy or girl will be named Josh.
GDT - all the info for the game
 
GDT - all the info for the game
LFG!!! Should be found in thread open.

No one is reading all that. 1. Probably been drinking since 9… (spiked)

And too busy reading Newsmax . (80% of chatbox at any given moment)
 
The moment shouldn’t be too big for the Bills, unlike the 2020 season.

We’ll see.
 
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LFG!!! Should be found in thread open.

No one is reading all that. 1. Probably been drinking since 9… (spiked)

And too busy reading Newsmax . (80% of chatbox at any given moment)
No one reads most of the articles I post, but they're there for those who do
 

NFL.Com: Bills-Chiefs: Four things to watch for during AFC Championship Game on Sunday​


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  • WHERE: GEHA Field at Arrowhead Stadium (Kansas City, Mo.)
  • WHEN: 6:30 p.m. ET | CBS, Paramount+, NFL+
The Buffalo Bills and Kansas City Chiefs are developing into one of the NFL’s best non-divisional rivalries, and Sunday figures to be another stirring chapter for the two franchises.

The Chiefs are attempting what no team has yet done: win three straight Super Bowls. The Bills, who have never won the Lombardi Trophy, are trying to get back to the game for the first time since the 1993 campaign.

The teams’ rivalry technically dates back to 1960, in the AFL’s inaugural season, but the recent showdowns between Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have escalated it to another level. The Bills and Chiefs have met eight times since 2020, including three times in the postseason.

Buffalo is 4-1 in the regular-season meetings, and Kansas City is 3-0 in their playoff games -- including epic Divisional Round games during the 2021 and 2023 seasons.

After Sunday, Allen and Mahomes will trail only one elite QB duo -- Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, who faced each other five times in the postseason -- for most playoff matchups between two quarterbacks.

The Bills were the only team to take down the Chiefs this season when they were playing their starters, a 30-21 game in Buffalo back in Week 11. This one shifts to Arrowhead Stadium, where the Chiefs haven’t lost a meaningful game since Christmas 2023.

Sunday’s weather in Kansas City is expected to be cold, dropping into the 20s, although snow does not appear to be in the forecast. But this matchup feels like an all-timer, whether it’s sunny and clear or cold and wet.

Here are four things to watch for in this Championship Sunday showdown between the Bills and Chiefs:

1) Do the Chiefs dare blitz Josh Allen this time?
The Bills have been a more balanced offense in 2024, dialing back on Allen's pass attempts and running the ball slightly more often. The result has been arguably Allen's most efficient season on a play-by-play basis, reducing his sacks and interceptions significantly. Chiefs defensive coordinator Steve Spaguolo has never truly slowed Allen down in their numerous meetings, and it's worth questioning if the Chiefs need to blitz less often in this game. On the one hand, that has been their bread and butter -- and the Chiefs are far more effective getting pressure with extra rushers. But on the other hand, Allen has handled the blitz exceptionally well -- both historically against Kansas City and this season on the whole.

The Chiefs blitzed at a 35.8% rate this season, which was the highest in the NFL, and they did so at an even higher rate (37.8%) in Week 11. Allen threw one foolish (and uncharacteristic, for this season) interception versus pressure in that game, but he otherwise handled the Chiefs, not taking a single sack.

Spagnuolo took a far more conservative approach in the 2023 Divisional Round meeting against Allen and the Bills, blitzing a mere 17.8% of his dropbacks -- the lowest blitz rate for any Chiefs games over the past two seasons, per Next Gen Stats -- and it seemed to work. Allen was 5 of 6 passing for 48 yards against the blitz, but on non-blitz passes he was only 21 for 33 for 138 yards, yielding a meager 4.2 yards per pass attempt.

Of course, a lot depends on the battle up front. Chris Jones and a strong Chiefs front will be battling with the Bills' elite offensive line. Offensive tackles Dion Dawkins and Spencer Brown have anchored the edges, the unit is solid up the middle and Buffalo has also leaned on sixth OL Alec Anderson as a regular contributor, especially in the run game.

Jones has only one sack in eight games against the Bills, but he notched seven pressures versus Allen in Week 11 and caused problems up front. Regardless, he'll need more help this time around. George Karlaftis is coming off his first career three-sack game against the Texans, but he was held quiet last time in Buffalo. Charles Omenihu, who missed the first meeting, also has come on as a pressure source. If the Chiefs are going to rush four more often than normal, they'll all need to be highly effective penetrating into the backfield.

2) Patrick Mahomes, Chiefs trying to continue ball-control success. The Bills were the stingiest team in terms of giveaways, turning the ball over a mere eight times all season, including playoffs. But the Chiefs somehow are on an even better roll with turnovers recently.

The last time Kansas City turned the ball over in a game? That would be the two it had -- both Mahomes picks -- in the last meeting in Week 11. Since then, the Chiefs have forced 11 opponent turnovers, with zero fumbles or interceptions of their own.

Not shockingly, that formula has been a big part of their success. The Chiefs have now won 37 straight games, dating back to 2019, when they've won the turnover battle. They even beat the Bills in that 2023 Divisional game despite being minus-1 in turnovers that contest -- the only NFL team to win a playoff game in the negative since the 2022 Divisional Round.

It has been harder for the Chiefs to hang onto the football against the Bills traditionally, as Buffalo holds a net plus-7 turnover margin in their last 10 meetings. That's the Bills' M.O.: They want to turn you over. Buffalo's defense has suffered enough attrition that its not geared to shut down high-powered offenses; its best path is stealing possessions, as the group did in the first meeting (plus-1 in turnovers).

The Bills finished the regular season tied for third in turnovers created (32), and they've added three more in the playoffs. Getting to Mahomes and getting hands on his passes is surely a big part of Sean McDermott's game plan for Sunday. But Mahomes will bring a 262-pass INT-less streak into the conference title game.

The Bills got pressure rushing four on Mahomes' first pass attempt in Week 11, and he overthrew his receiver for an interception. That pressure continued on the next series, but its effectiveness did wane a bit over the course of the game. Something similar played out last week in Buffalo, as the Bills defense started out with high energy and effectiveness on the whole but appeared to run low on gas by game's end.

Protecting Mahomes is a mostly strong offensive line that nonetheless has had to adapt. Joe Thuney has done his best since sliding out to left tackle, but he's had his hands full as a pass blocker. Buffalo's Greg Rousseau and A.J. Epenesa have had good seasons, but they'll need to heat the edges up better than they did against the Ravens. On the flip side, the Chiefs' right side -- Trey Smith and Jawaan Taylor -- also had trouble handling the Bills' rush in the previous meeting.

3) How will the Chiefs defend the Bills' other play-makers? Dealing with Josh Allen is tough enough. The Bills have become more diverse offensively, though, to where the burden is not falling completely on his shoulders every game.

James Cook has spearheaded a more effective run game, and the Bills have shown they have trust giving the ball to Ty Johnson and rookie Ray Davis in key spots. They all figure to be big parts of the rushing plan, as well as outlet options in the passing game.

The Chiefs have been a strong run-defending team on the whole this season. But tackling was an issue in the team's first meeting, and the Chiefs haven't been quite as sharp against the run down the stretch, allowing 509 rushing yards the past three outings (including playoffs).

Don't rule out the Bills taking a more run-heavy approach in this game, and that includes designed runs for Allen -- as they did last week facing the Ravens. For whatever reason, Allen has historically been more effective using his legs against the Chiefs in the playoffs (7.6 yards per carry) compared to regular-season meetings (4.1).

But one of the other byproducts of a more balanced attack this season has been Allen spreading the ball around to various receivers in the passing game. Khalil Shakir has been Allen's main man, and Shakir gave the Chiefs some trouble in Week 11, but 10 different pass catchers have 17 or more receptions this season. That largely has carried on through two playoff games.

The Chiefs should be in a better position to handle Shakir, who had eight catches for 70 yards in the first meeting, with Jaylen Watson back after missing that contest. Trent McDuffie never once faced off against Shakir, whom safety Chamarri Conner struggled to stick with, likely because the Chiefs were shorthanded in the secondary.

Then again, neither tight-end Dalton Kincaid nor wide receiver Keon Coleman suited up in that first game, either. How Spagnuolo issues his coverage assignments will be interesting, but it would be surprising if McDuffie -- who's quite comfortable defending the slot -- didn't see a lot of Shakir.

Amari Cooper and Coleman have been relatively quiet so far in the playoffs, with Curtis Samuel stepping up more after a disappointing regular season. Samuel also was a big factor in the first meeting, with five catches for 58 yards and a TD that put Buffalo up two scores in the fourth quarter.

4) Who else will step up for Kansas City besides Travis Kelce? Kelce continues to make his case as the best pass catcher in NFL playoff history, currently sitting first all-time in receptions and behind only Jerry Rice in yards and touchdowns. Last week against the Texans, he led the way with seven catches for 117 yards, passing Rice for most 100-yard receiving playoff games with nine. He also caught a TD and has had a history of killing the Bills in the playoffs (26-289-5 receiving in three games).

In Week 11, the Bills did everything they could to take Kelce out of the game, and it was successful, holding him to two short catches for 8 yards. Assuming they take this same approach, who will step up for the Chiefs in the passing game?

Last week versus Houston, the Chiefs had issues generating offense with anyone not named Kelce. The ground game was held in check. Xavier Worthy had five catches but netted only 37 yards on six touches total. Mahomes was 4 of 10 passing for 15 yards when targeting anyone besides Kelce and Worthy.

Isiah Pacheco wasn't healthy the last time these teams met, but even back on the field, he's been held down lately, averaging fewer than 4.0 yards rushing in each of his past five outings, with a long run of 10 yards. He's also contributed little as a receiver. Could he be a bigger part of the game plan?

The Chiefs also would like to see DeAndre Hopkins produce more. He's been relatively quiet lately and didn't do much in his two outings against the Bills this season -- one with the Titans and one after coming to the Chiefs via trade. Games such as this are why the Chiefs brought him on board.

The Bills' secondary is a little banged up heading into Sunday, with S Taylor Rapp (back/hip) ruled out and CB Christian Benford questionable to play as he works his way through concussion protocol. Both left Sunday's win over the Ravens, really thinning out the secondary by game's end.

Buffalo is a zone-heavy defense, and both of Mahomes' picks in Week 11 came versus zone, so you can expect more of the same. But if the Bills are shorthanded in the secondary again, they'll have to hope the pass rush can offset the drop-off in coverage.
 
No one reads most of the articles I post, but they're there for those who do
I always believed GDTs were for yelling spitting prognosticating and typing vile remarks about the competition and their fans?

I want KC experiencing domination. Crawl back to your locker room completely defeated. Then come out after the half and get pounded some more. I want fans in Denver and SD and Vegas to get erections lasting more than 4 hours requiring medical attention.
 
No balls this time. Game balls and coaching balls.

COACHING - F FUCKING TRIPLE MINUS
When it failed FOUR TIMES, maybe running Josh up the gut a FIFTH time was a waste of fucking time??
There are plays that work EVERY TIME on 2pt conversions. Buffalo tried NONE of them.
KNOX, Third down catch on the line - FUCKING CHALLENGE THE SPOT!

ALLEN - Sorry champ, but you played like shit. You made BAD run choices, were off target, tried to hero-ball it several times, panicked under the blitz and never looked at your second reads, several times, including the 4th and 5 when you had a dump-off coming out of the backfield. BTW, you have an arm. Fucking use it.

PLAYCALLING - No rythym. Very little play-action. ONE Misdirection play, that worked and then never went back to it.

SECONDARY - you've been shit all year, no reason to stop now.
 
This the only story that needs to be posted.


Grading the Buffalo Bills in their 32-29 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday in the AFC championship game at Arrowhead Stadium …

Running game: B​

There was plenty to like, starting with James Cook, who rushed 13 times for 85 yards and a pair of touchdowns. The Bills finished with 147 team rushing yards on 32 carries, but this game will be remembered more for the short-yardage failures when the Bills went to the “tush push” play by Josh Allen than it will for almost anything else. Allen had been great at the play all year, but the Chiefs were on to it. He ran 11 times for 39 yards, with a long gain of 13 yards on a scramble.

Passing game: B​

Allen finished 22 of 34 for 237 yards and a pair of touchdowns. He was slightly off target on a couple throws, and appeared to be a bit nervous at the start of the game. Ultimately, though, he settled in and gave his team a chance. Dalton Kincaid simply has to make the fourth-down catch late in the game. Let’s call it like it is: Kincaid has been a massive disappointment through his first two NFL seasons. That’s not just recency bias leading to the conclusion, either. Mack Hollins led the Bills with 73 receiving yards on three catches. Credit to him for coming through, but where was Amari Cooper? That will go down as an underwhelming trade after Cooper finished with four catches for 33 yards against the Chiefs. Khalil Shakir led the Bills with six catches, but those gained just 46 yards as he couldn’t find much room to run after the catch.

Run defense: D+​

It was death by a thousand paper cuts. Kansas City’s longest gain on the ground was just 12 yards. Kareem Hunt had a 12-yard touchdown, while Mahomes had a 12-yard scramble. The Chiefs’ quarterback gained 43 yards on 11 carries and scored a pair of rushing touchdowns as Kansas City gained 135 yards on 35 carries. Middle linebacker Terrel Bernard had just six tackles, which was fourth on the team. The Bills needed more from him. Matt Milano had a strong game with nine tackles. Rookie Cole Bishop, starting in place of Taylor Rapp, led the team with 10 tackles, but it is never a good sign when the leading tackler is a member of the secondary.

Pass defense: C-​

Mahomes finished 18 of 26 for 245 yards and one touchdown through the air. He was sacked twice, once by Milano and once by Jordan Phillips late in the game, which helped the defense hold the Chiefs to a field goal. Chiefs rookie Xavier Worthy had six catches for 85 yards and a touchdown. That is going to sting, especially considering the Bills traded down with the Chiefs in the draft, allowing Kansas City to get into position to take Worthy. The Bills did a pretty good job against tight end Travis Kelce, holding him to two catches for 19 yards. The defense struggled to cover Kansas City’s running backs on the Chiefs’ final possession, which led to the clock running out. The loss of Christian Benford early in the game and not having Rapp didn’t help the Bills’ cause, but that can’t be used as an excuse. The Bills finished with just one pass defended, which was by Bernard before he left the game with an injury. Defensive tackle Ed Oliver had a fumble recovery in the first half.

Special teams: C​

In a game that promised to be close, special teams was going to be important. The Chiefs got the better of the Bills in that regard, thanks largely to a 41-yard punt return by Nikko Remigio in the second quarter that set up a Kansas City touchdown drive. Bills punter Sam Martin averaged just 30.0 net yards on his two punts because of the long return. Rookie Ray Davis returned one kickoff for 28 yards, but the Chiefs’ other five kickoffs went for touchbacks. One good sign for the Bills was kicker Tyler Bass, who hit a 53-yard field goal and made the tying extra point in the fourth quarter, which was pressure packed. Remigio also had a 33-yard kick return.

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Bills head coach Sean McDermott now has lost to the Chiefs in the playoffs in four of the past five years. Harry Scull Jr., Buffalo News

Coaching: D​

Why did offensive coordinator Joe Brady continue to call the tush push when it was clear that the Chiefs knew how to stop it? That is a question that is going to be asked for a very long offseason. Brady was outcoached by Chiefs defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo. Teams with four-plus touchdowns and no turnovers are 21-2 in the playoffs since 2020. The two losses are the Bills to the Chiefs in the 2021 divisional round and the Bills to the Chiefs on Sunday. Once again, the defense failed in the biggest moments. Head coach Sean McDermott and defensive coordinator Bobby Babich didn’t get their players in position to do enough. They both have to own that. McDermott lost a challenge in the first half, but quite frankly, it seemed like a good call to throw the flag. It’s hard to see how the play stood up. This is the first time in NFL history that one team has eliminated another four times in five seasons in the playoffs. To paraphrase former Red Sox pitcher Pedro Martinez when speaking about the Yankees, the only thing that’s left to be said is the Chiefs are the Bills’ daddy.
 
Goats

Sean Michael McDermott. Outcoached again. 0-4 vs Reid. 32 points for the Chiefs. Their highest output of the season. That is now an average of 34.75 points per game. Who can win like that? ... Once again his DLines no showed, once again Reid ate his lunch money with the roll out play time and time again. Once again Spags ate his lunch money with the QB sneak that we never adjusted or moved away from. Been saying it since 13 seconds. We will NEVER win it all with him. We got stops on 3 drives out of 8. One of those a fumble that had nothing to do with us. So its really 2 out of 8. Pathetic as usual. Josh will be 29 IIRC next season. His prime years are passing by with nothing to show for but divisional crowns. If he had an ounce of decency, he would quit. But he wont. He'll be back next season and the same thing will happen again. Fuck him. He's our curse. Here's a stat for you. In post season. Teams with 4+ scores and 0 turnovers are 21-2. Those 2 losses? Bills vs Chiefs under McD. Wonder why? Oh yeah his D gives up 35 a game.

Tush push. I get it the 1st 2 times. Its a staple of our O. But at some point you gotta figure out that they have figured it out. We always run it to the left. After the 1st two stops why not try it over the middle or to the right? .... I don't know if this falls on Brady, McD, Allen, or them all but it was fucking disappointing.

Kincaid. Bust, middle of the road player. For how advertised he came as a 1st rounder he's been a let down. And that drop yesterday will live in infamy.

Drop play. On the biggest play of the game the OL decided to fuck it up and give Josh ZERO time to make a play on a 4 man rush, I know it was a blitz, but it was still just 4 rushers. They couldn't figure it out. Kudos morons.

Elam. Bust. Hope to never see him again in a Bills uni.

DL coach. Eric Washington I think its his name? When the moment gets big, those over paid clowns always go AWOL.

Con Miller. The "closer", "I live for this games". Go home asshole. Thanks for nothing.

Special teams giving up the long return. Nothing new. Smiley is a moron and I'm hoping that was the last we ever see him.

Refs. As expected every so so call went their way. That int/catch/drop play only gets called like that vs KC. Any other 2 teams its incomplete. The 4th down was another one. It was called short on the field (inexplicably) and that was it. No amount of replay or the announcers saying he got it would change their mind. When in doubt, call it red. Oh and it goes sort of unnoticed. But I believe Knox had it from the previous play too. There were more calls but those 2 obviously stand out. In a 3pt game, it matters. Chiefs now 17-0 in one score games.



Balls

Cook. Baller, wonder why they didn't use him more.

Allen. The narratives as always will blame him, say he came up short with a chance at the end like he didnt deliver a FG position throw right o Kincaid's hands despite being pressured immediately after the snap He also gave us 29 points. I wonder what % of playoff games are won when you score 29. I bet its over 60%. Even on the broken play he gave Kincaid a chance. I feel for him. He deserves better.

Hollins. Great game, elite catch.

Bass. Made his kicks

Martin. Boomin punt
 
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