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The Buffalo Bills are abiding by the calendar, and not by the projected TV ratings, the hype or any of the chatter.

The Bills host the Kansas City Chiefs at Highmark Stadium this week in a game that is sure to captivate the NFL – but inside 1 Bills Drive, all that comes up, over and over, is that they’re treating this like just another game.

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Josh Allen and the Bills will face defending two-time Super Bowl champion Kansas City on Sunday in Orchard Park. Harry Scull Jr., Buffalo News
“It’s a Week 11 game. It’s no bigger and no less than the last 10 games that we’ve had,” quarterback Josh Allen said Wednesday. “I know the media perception and the fan perception of what this game means. But for us, it’s just a Week 11 for us.”

Of course, for either fan base or for football fans in general, this is appointment television. Playoff implications are there. Buffalo has a chance to hand Kansas City (9-0) its first loss. None of those things are focal points for the Bills – at least not publicly.

Coach Sean McDermott has already been repeating this mantra since the team flipped the page from their 30-20 win over the Indianapolis Colts. Allen, who will go head to head with Kansas City quarterback Patrick Mahomes for the eighth time, has aided in making sure the mindset permeates throughout the team.

“I think he leads by example with that, and I think that more than anything, I think players, athletes crave that, too – just some form of normalcy,” McDermott said Wednesday of Allen. “They don’t live, quote-unquote, sometimes normal lives, and so that normalcy is sometimes welcomed day in and day out.

“So that’s how we do it here. Everyone’s different, but really since Day 1 this year, we’ve started with a certain mindset that we feel like is powerful for us, and the important thing now is to stay consistent with it.”

Allen says that consistency is critical. Don’t change something when it’s working.

“Just continuing to trust the process, not changing anything because there’s no need to,” Allen said. “What we’re doing in-house here, the way that we’re practicing, the way that we’re talking to each other. We’re just going to keep trusting that.

“It’s gotten us to 8-2 thus far. We’re always looking to improve and get better. But we’re not going to try to change everything we’re doing for another game.”

For a number of veteran Bills players, the frequency with which Buffalo and Kansas City have met helps them keep perspective.

Nickel cornerback Taron Johnson said he thinks the environment will be like any other game in Highmark Stadium.

“I’ve played Kansas City so much at this point, so it’s just like another game, and Bills Mafia is gonna be loud, like they always are,” Johnson said Wednesday.

There is some emphasis on reiterating the “any other week” mindset for rookies who are facing Kansas City for the first time.

Rookie linebacker Joe Andreessen said he had just gotten a reminder about the mindset in a meeting on Wednesday.

“I think this organization does a good job of that – keeping everything in-house and just kind of sticking to our usual scheduling,” Andreessen said.

Right tackle Spencer Brown said the Kansas City games did mean a little more when he was a rookie in 2021, when they met twice (Buffalo won an early season game 38-20, then lost that 42-36 heartbreaker in the AFC divisional playoffs). But he felt that way in part because it’s close to his home in Iowa, and he had additional family out there. Brown called the matchup “a game you want to be a part of,” even if he balanced that with declining to call this game a measuring stick for the Bills.

“It’s hard to say that. It’s Week 11,” Brown said. “There’s a lot of season left, especially for both of us. In the postseason the last three years, you’re gonna see them. You’re going to play them twice so this game is a good intro for it, I would say, and we’ll see whatever happens.”

Taron Johnson awarded​

Bills nickel cornerback Taron Johnson was named the AFC Defensive Player of the Week.

Johnson had a 23-yard interception return and a sack in the Bills’ win over the Colts on Sunday in Indianapolis. It was the first weekly nod for Johnson, who is in his seventh year with the Bills.

“It means a lot, I guess. I’m happy that I got it,” Johnson said. “But at the same time, I know it’s just an award for the week. And we’ve got a game this week that I’m focused on, that we’re focused on. So, just making sure that that’s the main focus.”

Injury report​

The Buffalo Bills held a walkthrough on Wednesday. Wide receiver Keon Coleman (wrist), right tackle Spencer Brown (ankle) and tight end Dalton Kincaid (knee) did not participate. Coleman has already been ruled out of Sunday’s contest.

McDermott said he is “hopeful” that Brown will be able to play Sunday. Brown said he’s hoping to play Sunday, then use the bye week after to heal a little more.
“Good. Just rolled the old ankle there (against the Colts) and it’s swollen right now and sore, but training room and myself are doing everything we can to get ready for Sunday,” Brown said Wednesday.

Wide receiver Amari Cooper (wrist) and linebacker Matt Milano (bicep) were listed as limited. Milano is still on injured reserve with his 21-day practice window open, and McDermott has already said Milano will not play this weekend. Still, it was a welcome sign to have the former All-Pro linebacker back at practice.

“Oh, so encouraging,” Johnson said. “I’m just happy he’s back out there, getting ready to practice, and yeah, it’s gonna be a huge gain when we get him back.”
The Bills listed 12 other players on the injury report as full participants.

For Kansas City, running back Isiah Pacheco (ankle), defensive end Charles Omenihu (knee) and wide receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster (hamstring) were limited.
 

No defensive coach in the history of the NFL has a greater single skin on the wall than Steve Spagnuolo.

In February 2008, Spagnuolo’s New York Giants defense spoiled the New England Patriots’ perfect season with a 17-14 upset in Super Bowl XLII. The Patriots had the second-highest scoring offense in NFL history, with Tom Brady and Randy Moss at their peak.

This is the first bullet point on a resume that – from this perspective – makes Spagnuolo the greatest defensive coordinator in the NFL today and one of the top five in NFL history.

Josh Allen & Co. again will try to get the better of Spags when the Kansas City Chiefs come to town Sunday.

I wish Sean McDermott and Bobby Babich were just a little bit more like Spagnuolo.

Nobody comes up with creative pressures in key moments like Spagnuolo.

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Kansas City Chiefs defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo has been a mastermind calling exotic pressures on third down. Charlie Riedel, Associated Press

Last year, the Chiefs’ defense ranked second the NFL in “unblocked pressures” – the number of times a rusher came free to hurry the quarterback without being blocked. The total was 73. This year, they’re sixth in the league in unblocked pressures, according to Kansas City data analyst Joe Hefner.

A great example of Spagnuolo scheming it up came on the key defensive play in the Chiefs’ Super Bowl win over San Francisco in February. It was third down from the Kansas City 9-yard line in overtime. The Chiefs threatened six men at the line. Five rushed. The 49ers made a mistake in protection, and star defensive tackle Chris Jones hurried quarterback Brock Purdy into an incompletion. The 49ers kicked a field goal. The Chiefs scored a touchdown on the ensuing drive to win.

“I think they do a great job of switching the looks that they’re giving,” Allen said Wednesday. “Obviously, we know about Chris Jones. He’s a game-wrecker, one of the best, if not the best, interior D-linemen in the game right now. You pair that up with some of their DBs and linebackers, they’re flying all over the field. They’ve got guys that are really gap sound in the run game as well. We’re going to have our hands full. This is a very good unit we’re going to face.”

Don’t the Bills know it. Spagnuolo’s late adjustment in the divisional playoff win at Buffalo last January – run dogs on the Bills’ last couple drives – forced the Bills to settle for their last, ill-fated field-goal try.

This isn’t to say I wish the Bills would blitz more. Getting pressure with four men and defending pass catchers with seven is the best way to play defense.

Spagnuolo’s Chiefs happen to rank third in blitz rate this year (35%), according to NFL Next Gen Stats. Last year, the Chiefs also ranked third.

But most seasons in Spagnuolo’s career, his defenses have been middle of the pack in blitzing – sending five or more pass rushers. He’s not like Buddy Ryan, Brian Flores, Todd Bowles or Don Martindale – blitz-obsessed no matter his personnel.

It’s not about blitz rate. It’s about key third-down situations in big games where the Chiefs have an uncanny ability to get a free runner on the QB and force an incompletion.

McDermott’s oversight of the Buffalo defense has been outstanding. (See The Buffalo News’ Wednesday edition on Buffalo leading the NFL in takeaways since 2017). Babich has enjoyed a phenomenal start to his first season as coordinator. The way Babich has helped develop young linebackers Terrel Bernard and Dorian Williams is great. The way new starting safeties Taylor Rapp and Damar Hamlin have stayed assignment sound while changing the picture for QBs after the snap is impressive. The playoff monkey on the back of the Bills' defense is a story for another day.

The Bills have better pass rush talent on the defensive line than Kansas City, even considering the superstar Jones. The Bills probably don’t have to “manufacture” as much pressure as Spagnuolo.

But a few more of Spagnuolo’s exotic pressures on third downs is what we’d like to see, and what is needed against Patrick Mahomes.

“He kind of makes it all look the same, whether it’s a pressure or not a pressure, does a great job on disguises,” Bills offensive coordinator Joe Brady said. “These guys fly around and they play confidently and, I think, when you watch any good defense on tape, you can just watch it on a silent tape and you can tell that it’s a good defense.”

When people talk about the greatest defensive coordinators in NFL history, some obvious names pop up. Bill Belichick’s six years with the New York Giants and 24 years as head coach of the Patriots make him almost unquestionably No. 1 on the list. Others: Bud Carson, the Cover 2 master of Pittsburgh’s Steel Curtain defense; Bill Arnsparger of the 1970s Miami Dolphins; Ernie Stautner of Tom Landry’s Dallas Cowboys; Dick LeBeau of the Bengals and Steelers; Dom Capers, who with LeBeau popularized the zone blitz. Throw Wade Phillips in the conversation.

Spagnuolo, 64, now has four Super Bowl rings – one with the Giants and three with the Chiefs. He has done it with more of a rotating cast given the Chiefs’ salary cap constraints than some of the older giants on the above list.

Spagnuolo gives Kansas City an advantage. He’s part of the mountain the Bills have to climb to get past the mighty Chiefs.
 
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The Creature needs to have his best in this one. It appears Copper will be available and let’s hope for another biggie from Knox and Hollins.
 
No doubt since I suspect KC's D which has been very good this year will stop our running game.

This will be a test for Josh for sure but also our OL.
 
Pass opens up run. Just like Run opens up the pass. Dont run on every single first down.
 
I am tired of seeing that Drama Queen MyHomo having his little feelings hurt during the game so he fakes an injury that the Announcers believe will knock him out of the game yet magically the KUNT is right back in there before you know it.

I want the Bills D to BRING ME HIS HEAD!!!!

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The word rivalry is thrown around a lot in sports. But in the case of the Bills and Chiefs, there’s really no other way to describe it. On Sunday, the two teams will meet for the eighth time in five seasons — three of which were in the playoffs.

They are bonded together by having Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes, two of the premier quarterbacks in the NFL, and being two perennial AFC contenders. But it goes deeper than that. Bills coach Sean McDermott got his first big coaching chance in Philadelphia working for now Chiefs coach Andy Reid. In 2017, the Bills traded their pick to the Chiefs for them to move up for Mahomes. The Chiefs have also been the primary gatekeepers of the Bills not accomplishing their playoff goals.

This matchup has yielded some of the most memorable games in recent history. Add in the fact that Patrick Mahomes has never lost in Buffalo, and you get a matchup rife with intrigue and implications. And, oh, by the way, they have the two best records in the AFC.

So. with so many things to ponder for this matchup, here’s what stands out ahead of another likely memorable evening with the entire world watching.

If the Bills have any hope for the No. 1 seed, Sunday is close to must-win​

For as good as the Bills have been over the previous five seasons, making the playoffs in each of them and advancing to at least the divisional round over the last four, they have never had a bye in the first round. Getting the top seed comes with playing at home throughout the AFC playoffs, but it would be less about getting home-field advantage, as the last two playoff exits have both occurred in Orchard Park.

Getting an entire week to recuperate before that divisional round game, being the only AFC team to do so, along with knowing that they’ll face the team that is, at best, the No. 4 seed, is a tremendous advantage. Needing only two home wins to go to the Super Bowl is another huge leg up that they’ve never had. Then, if they were to move on, the AFC Championship Game would be played in Buffalo for the first time in 21 years, creating another obvious advantage.

However, without a win over the Chiefs on Sunday, it’s extremely unlikely the Bills get enough to go their way to take the top spot in the AFC, should Patrick Mahomes remain healthy the rest of the way. If the Chiefs were to win, they would be 10-0, with the Bills heading to their bye at 8-3 and also placing the head-to-head tiebreaker in the Chiefs’ hands. The Bills would need to be perfect the rest of the season and the Chiefs would have to lose at least four of their final seven games.

While a 3-4 record in seven games isn’t outlandish, it becomes a lot less likely when you look at the Chiefs’ remaining schedule. Three of their next four opponents are against teams buried in their conference standings — the Panthers, Raiders and Browns. The other game is against the Chargers, albeit in Kansas City. From there, the Chiefs close out against the Texans, Steelers and Broncos.

Not only would a loss on Sunday make the Chiefs tough to catch, but it would also bring the Ravens (7-3) and Texans (6-4) back into the mix to pass the Bills for AFC seeding. With losses to both teams in back-to-back weeks, the Bills wouldn’t hold the tiebreaker on any of the three likeliest division-winning teams. The Steelers are also in the mix in the AFC North, and have the tiebreaker over the Bills right now with a better conference record. A loss against the Chiefs could wind up as the catalyst for the Bills getting the third or fourth seed.

So, even if the Bills players and coaches aren’t thinking about the top seed in mid-November, it would be a shock if the front office wasn’t mindful of the seeding ramifications. Sunday could wind up being a now-or-never situation for them to get the No. 1 seed, which could improve their overall odds of finally getting past the rest of the AFC and to the Super Bowl.

The Amari Cooper boost​

After Bills top receiver Amari Cooper spent last week not doing much during practice due to a wrist injury and did not play against the Colts, he took a big step forward in his participation. Cooper was taking passes from Allen during the open portion of Thursday’s practice, something he didn’t do at all a week ago while sporting a small cast on his left wrist. Cooper said that he feels things are heading in the right direction to play on Sunday, and that would be a critical development for the offensive environment around Allen.

The Bills already know they’ll be without rookie receiver Keon Coleman (wrist). Their top tight end, Dalton Kincaid (knee), might also be unable to play. However, getting Cooper back into the lineup would help take a lot of pressure off Allen, who would have had a limited pass-catcher room to work with. If he plays, Cooper is likely to see a lot of Chiefs cornerback Trent McDuffie, and that will be a fun matchup between two extremely talented players.

As a boundary receiver, Cooper would allow the Bills to use Mack Hollins or Curtis Samuel, or both, more sparingly. Samuel is likelier to see his role reduced due to Hollins’ big game last week and how the team has used them throughout the year when healthy. Though it is fair to wonder how many snaps Cooper can play. Not only is he working through a wrist injury that forced him to miss two games, but he’s only been with the team for a month and has been limited in practice for most of it.

Both factors could impact just how much the Bills feel comfortable with having him on the field. It would be fair to expect at least over 50 percent of snaps, given that’s where he was before the injury, with the potential that it could push closer to the 65 to 75 percent range if deemed healthy enough. However, Cooper’s impact will be felt regardless of how much he plays, even when they don’t target him on passing plays.

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Spencer Brown (79) has been nursing an ankle injury and has been held out of two straight practices. (Grace Smith / Imagn Images)

What about Spencer Brown and Dalton Kincaid?​

For the first time since the 2022 season, the Bills are in serious jeopardy of seeing their offensive lineman ironman streak end. For the entire 2023 season and through all ten games of 2024, the intended top five along the offensive line has started every single game. But with Spencer Brown nursing an ankle injury that has kept him out of two straight practices, the Bills will see their inexperienced offensive line depth tested for the first time. Brown has stated that he would like to push through the injury, though with the Bills taking the conservative approach this year in most situations and a bye week to follow in Week 12, resting Brown appears to be the likeliest approach. It’s not a certainty at this point because there’s always the chance Brown can get on the practice field Friday and convince the team he’s ready. However, in similar situations, the Bills have leaned toward resting the player.

Without Brown, Ryan Van Demark would make his first career start. Van Demark spent the entire 2022 season on the practice squad, made the team last year but played only sparingly, and has done the same this year. The book on Van Demark is that his best position is at left tackle, with that being where he’s most experienced. When placed at right tackle throughout the summer, Van Demark struggled on that side in pass protection.

His matchup will mainly consist of working against George Karlaftis, who leads the team in sacks (4.0) and is second on the team in pressure rate (11.2 percent) behind only Chris Jones. Van Demark playing could also create a pressure point advantage for Jones when lined up against right guard O’Cyrus Torrence. The Bills offensive line has played very well as a unit, helping each other out against tough matchups. But Torrence struggled on some pass-blocking reps against Colts defensive lineman DeForrest Buckner, which is worthy of keeping an eye on as a matchup in the game.

As for Kincaid, like Brown, he missed the first two practices of the week, which does not bode well for his chances of playing Sunday. Unlike Brown’s situation, the Bills have perhaps their top backup player on the entire roster behind Kincaid in Dawson Knox, so I’d expect to see more Knox and 11 personnel looks than usual and some Quintin Morris mixing in here or there.

A quietly big opportunity for A.J. Epenesa

While Greg Rousseau rightfully gets the attention as the Bills’ top pass rusher, this matchup will yield an advantage for his fellow starter on the opposite side, A.J. Epenesa. The Chiefs are likely to have starting left tackle Wanya Morris available, though having allowed a pressure rate of 7.3 percent this season, Morris remains the most significant liability in their starting lineup. Epenesa is at his best on pass-rushing downs, and with plenty of attention likely to shade toward Rousseau and defensive tackle Ed Oliver, that allows for some real one-on-one chances for Epenesa against Morris. Epenesa only plays at right defensive end. Rousseau moonlights to that side when Von Miller enters the game on some third-down plays, but it’s mostly Epenesa on that side.

Matt Milano begins to ramp up, but what are fair expectations?​

The Bills’ season outlook certainly improved this week when they announced they opened the 21-day practice window for star linebacker Matt Milano, with the quick caveat that he would not play Sunday against the Chiefs. Even though Milano is out this week, his return is likely just around the corner. By rule, the Bills must put him on the 53-man roster by Dec. 4, a few days ahead of their game against the Rams. Given that Milano is already going through practice and looks mostly like himself, it wouldn’t be a shock if they activated him even before that deadline, perhaps even ahead of their Week 13 game against San Francisco. After all, they have a roster spot open for him after placing Baylon Spector on injured reserve last week without ever filling the spot.

But when Milano is activated, there’s a legitimate chance they’re going to take it slow with him and his defensive role. Back in 2020, when Milano was returning from a longer in-season injury, they had him work in on third downs for his first three games while usual backup A.J. Klein played the early downs. Then, after three games in a bit role, Milano returned to his every-down starting spot. With the Bills taking Dorian Williams off the field for most third downs already, it wouldn’t be a surprise if that’s how the Bills approach Milano’s return to play with a ramp-up to his entire workload.

Projected inactives: WR Keon Coleman, TE Dalton Kincaid, OT Spencer Brown, LB Edefuan Ulofoshio

(**Subject to change after Friday’s practice)

Prediction: Bills 23, Chiefs 20​

This matchup couldn’t be much tighter. When the Bills are on offense, they’ll have to contend with an outstanding Chiefs defense. The Bills haven’t had many teams be able to stymie their ground game this season. The Chiefs have the players to do so, but the Bills have been too proficient to be held down for the full game. The Bills should find some advantages through the air with Khalil Shakir working against nickel Chamarri Conner. If he plays, Cooper will boast a size advantage over McDuffie. But even with those advantages, the Chiefs pass rushers will make their presence felt.

When the Bills are on defense, it’s all in how they defend the short and intermediate levels against Travis Kelce and DeAndre Hopkins. The two players attack separate areas of the field which makes it difficult for defenders to know what’s coming at them. Balance that with a solid running game that could force a safety to cheat up the field, and a speed receiver option to take advantage later in the game, and the Chiefs can conceivably attack at all levels. The play of Rousseau and Epenesa on the edges will be critical to creating longer third down distances for Mahomes.

Ultimately, I think this will be a push-pull game the entire way. However, with how well Allen is coming up with answers to mostly everything a defense throws at him, and with their run game prowess, I think the Bills will be able to challenge the Chiefs defense just enough to sneak away with a close victory, and a massive win for their potential playoff path.
 
The annual game vs the Chiefs is here. As stated numerous times before, I know it matters. But not really. Hear me out. It matters because duh, its a W. It helps with confidence, momentum, mojo, seeding and everything you want. But then again. We've beaten them the last 3 times in the regular season. So what? .... what has that done for us in the post season? ... it means nothing until we beat'em in January. Remember that last year's "we'll we've never played them at home in the playoffs" narrative is dead. So no matter what happens on Sunday we all know its meaningless.



If they beat us people will say ... of course. Chiefs own the Bills.

If we beat them then ... so what, they can't beat them in the playoffs.



So yeah. I'll watch. Of course I want a W. I would love to humiliate them (doubtful). But its just another game honestly.



Refs will be on their side. For whatever reason they seem to be hand picked. Should probably have 2-4 losses yet remain unbeaten. We will probably be sort handed yet again soooooo



Chiefs 27

Bills 23
 
I dont hate them. I mean Kelce is an ass with an IQ of about minus 120. Mahomes is a decent dude although he's become more annoying the past 2 seasons. Reid is a solid guy IMO too. I do hate the preferential calls that go their way and how that has clearly influenced their record. This year more than any other.
 
But who's he gonna throw to? Even if he brings his A game there's no Keon, possibly no Kincaid and Cooper.

We need the A game from the run game and defense more than Josh IMO.
 
Spags is a legend. Chiefs have been known these past few years as an offensive juggernaut because of the obvious. But low key Spags has been near the top of the list of reasons why they win it all.

Bills? We have McD and his uncanny ability to choke come playoff time.
 
So Victor… when did your feelings like these when it was Brady and Edelman or Gronk turn from good dude and poor IQ?
 
So Victor… when did your feelings like these when it was Brady and Edelman or Gronk turn from good dude and poor IQ?

Pats were punks and cheaters. Very different. Brady was always a smug crybaby. Belichik remains a POS human being. Both of them are proven cheaters. Wilfork? dirty. Edelman? dirty. Gronk? dirty. Just a POS organization top to bottom.

Chiefs aren't cheaters and even though Mahomes sometimes acts like an ass he's for the most part ok. I like Andy Reid.
 
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