Greek Revolution ..

Blondie

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So, my Rise and Fall of the Ottoman Empire is done .. I have to say it was pretty fascinating. Now, I am on to the Greek Revolution.

Seems like that began when crisis within the ELITES and landed the rebels in the revolution.

So, who here knows anything about the Greek Revolution?

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I myself know next to nothing about it, but I do know that a century later it still causes much bitterness between Greeks and Turks. I had a political science professor at UCM who was from Greece, Thessaloniki region, and he is one of the most progressive minded people I have ever met and yet he still has a severe anti Turkish bias a century on. This revolution is in part why Turkey and Greece are the only two NATO members to have ever fought while active members of the alliance.

Oh and Blondie, you mention elites, have you ever noticed that by and large revolutions are led by the elites while revolts are led by the poor and enslaved? Just something to think about. Our so called revolution was led by the Virginia planter aristocracy and New England, New York, and Pennsylvania mercantile and banking elites. The Confederacy were planter elites. The French revolution was led by men loaded with money but no say in the French autocracy. The English revolution was led by parliamentarians and landed gentry. The Russian revolution? It wasn't your poor peasantry and workers who organized it, it was the sons of landowners, lawyers, even Stalin's propaganda is iust that as his family was wealthy enough to pay his way to Seminary. Anyways, my point is that revolutions seem to be led by the elites who feel deprived of political power, was this the same in the Greek Revolution?
 
I myself know next to nothing about it, but I do know that a century later it still causes much bitterness between Greeks and Turks. I had a political science professor at UCM who was from Greece, Thessaloniki region, and he is one of the most progressive minded people I have ever met and yet he still has a severe anti Turkish bias a century on. This revolution is in part why Turkey and Greece are the only two NATO members to have ever fought while active members of the alliance.

Oh and Blondie, you mention elites, have you ever noticed that by and large revolutions are led by the elites while revolts are led by the poor and enslaved? Just something to think about. Our so called revolution was led by the Virginia planter aristocracy and New England, New York, and Pennsylvania mercantile and banking elites. The Confederacy were planter elites. The French revolution was led by men loaded with money but no say in the French autocracy. The English revolution was led by parliamentarians and landed gentry. The Russian revolution? It wasn't your poor peasantry and workers who organized it, it was the sons of landowners, lawyers, even Stalin's propaganda is iust that as his family was wealthy enough to pay his way to Seminary. Anyways, my point is that revolutions seem to be led by the elites who feel deprived of political power, was this the same in the Greek Revolution?

I can see why your professor had some biases there .. and I just started this book, I'm already like WTF, I will keep you updated.

This all is making sense though as to what is happening, and WHY Elon bought Twitter .. the clash of the Elites is about to go down, IMO. OH and as usual them pesky Russians are ALWAYS the stronger player in the beginning of these "wars", ONE has yet to end well for the Russians ..

I need to take NOTES as I listen to this book on my drive into work ..

I feel like such a dork now .. but to be honest .. I kind of like it.
 
I don't know what else to do right now other than to go back and read/listen to history.

I am finding SOME comfort in that .. I am really scared of what is about to happen, and I know that the MAGA Republicans laugh and make fun of me for being scared, but I also know I am not alone.
 
I don't know what else to do right now other than to go back and read/listen to history.

I am finding SOME comfort in that .. I am really scared of what is about to happen, and I know that the MAGA Republicans laugh and make fun of me for being scared, but I also know I am not alone.
MAGAs are brainwashed imbeciles and when the pain hits home, really hits them hard, razor blade sales will go way up
 
I don't know what else to do right now other than to go back and read/listen to history.

I am finding SOME comfort in that .. I am really scared of what is about to happen, and I know that the MAGA Republicans laugh and make fun of me for being scared, but I also know I am not alone.
I find it depressing and it makes me cynical. I mean I hate it. No, not knowing it and reading it, but because we as a species have seen most of the shit we are going through before and yet we can't fucking learn
 
I find it depressing and it makes me cynical. I mean I hate it. No, not knowing it and reading it, but because we as a species have seen most of the shit we are going through before and yet we can't fucking learn
I guess this is where Shiva is right, American's are just entitled assholes, and we deserve what we get. When does our revolution begin??
 
I guess this is where Shiva is right, American's are just entitled assholes, and we deserve what we get. When does our revolution begin??
We've spent decades drugging the shit out of any child or young adult who has any revolutionary zeal, we have spent more decades than that smearing, libeling and smearing anyone who would take to the streets, and even those like MLK have been rehabilitated as pro establishment. Also, we continue to smear those who were the closest thing we ever had to revolutionaries, namely the progressives.

Today we do have Occupy, but they get busted up and watched in their movement's infancy. BLM? Black people march on Washington and the Capital is surrounded by all law enforcement, paramilitaries, and military in DC. We ever get a Bernie? We buy him off with hollow promises and hijack his movement so it only does the bidding of the oligarchs.
 
I don't mean recreational drugs either, I mean ADHD medications etc that are used to squash creativity in young people who won't conform
 
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