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Oklahoma Family Says ICE Agents Raided Wrong Home, Took Their Belongings. What We Know​

A federal raid on a northwest Oklahoma City home is under scrutiny after a family said agents targeted the wrong address. The residents, who had recently moved from Maryland, claim they have no ties to the names listed on the warrant.

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A woman who recently moved to Oklahoma City with her three daughters says federal agents raided her home by mistake, seizing their phones, laptops, and cash savings, despite her family's name not being on the search warrant.

The woman, referred to as Marisa by KFOR News 4, had relocated from Maryland just two weeks before the raid. Her husband stayed back temporarily and was supposed to join them over the weekend, as per KFOR.

On Thursday morning, Marisa said around 20 armed people entered her house before sunrise. She said the group identified themselves as agents from ICE, the FBI, and US Marshals, and showed a search warrant for the property. However, the names listed on the warrant did not match anyone in her family. Marisa believes the names belong to former tenants, as the mail that is addressed to them is still being delivered to the house.

“We just moved here from Maryland,” she said. “We’re citizens. That’s what I kept saying.”

Marisa said that the agents forced her and her daughters outside in the rain before they had a chance to get dressed. “They wanted me to change in front of all of them,” she said. “You have her out there, a minor, in her underwear.”

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“They were treating us like criminals,” she said. The agents searched the entire home and took their electronics and life savings in cash as “evidence,” as per the KFOR report.

“I told them before they left… we have no money,” she said. “How do you just leave me like this?”

KFOR reached out to the US Marshals Service. It said it knew about the operation but was not involved. The FBI first said it helped with the case but later claimed it wasn’t on the scene, according to KFOR.

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So I post my thoughts on my lived experience
This is a thread about ICE raiding someone's home illegitimately.

If every person's lived experience were relevant to a conversation, about 300 million residents of the US would say "that never happened to me" and a much smaller number of US residents would back up the Oklahoma family's account.

My lived experience is Derek Chauvin never murdered me.

My lived experience is Harvey Weinstein never invited me up to his room.

My lived experience is my synagogue was never set on fire.

My lived experience is I've never been called the N word.

And guess what? Not a single fucking one of these experiences I've never had reduces my empathy for the people who have nor does it ostracize me from movements to make sure they STOP happening to ANYONE.
 
See that? That's me trying to contribute to a conversation despite being insulted.

If you can't do that, I suspect it has less to do with you being insulted and more to do with my insult being exactly bang-on 100% correct.

The reason you can't have the conversation is the same reason you have tremendously shitty politics in the first place- because you are a fucking retard.
 
Now....you may not THINK that's the reason.

You may THINK that if I insult you you no longer HAVE TO have the conversation. That being insulted is a "get out of jail free" card for political accountability.

But that's the sort of thing only fucking retards believe. The rest of us know better that our moral compasses survive past that moment in time.
 
So I post my thoughts on my lived experience

That is NOT what you did. Here is your first post:

"I do not believe ICE is domestic terrorists. They are trying to do their job. These are men and women who go to work everyday to protect our country. It's the leadership that puts ICE in these situations. Sanctuary cities harboring illegal immigrants with significant criminal records is wrong. Those cities must be held accountable. My friend is a retired ICE agent and he hates Trump. I know the good work ICE has done to protect our communities."

NONE of that post is about your LIVED EXPERIENCES. It is nothing but an empty opinion, if you ask me, and it absolutely was to provoke a reaction, which you got.

I live in a sanctuary state, and I have MANY coworkers who are afraid of ICE because they are going around and snatching people off the street because they support Palestine.

You may be OK with what is happening, but many are NOT ok. So, IF I was a person who migrated to this country and seeing and reading everything that is happening, how do you think your post would be seen as someone like me, who does not feel safe?
 
That is NOT what you did. Here is your first post:

"I do not believe ICE is domestic terrorists. They are trying to do their job. These are men and women who go to work everyday to protect our country. It's the leadership that puts ICE in these situations. Sanctuary cities harboring illegal immigrants with significant criminal records is wrong. Those cities must be held accountable. My friend is a retired ICE agent and he hates Trump. I know the good work ICE has done to protect our communities."

NONE of that post is about your LIVED EXPERIENCES. It is nothing but an empty opinion, if you ask me, and it absolutely was to provoke a reaction, which you got.

I live in a sanctuary state, and I have MANY coworkers who are afraid of ICE because they are going around and snatching people off the street because they support Palestine.

You may be OK with what is happening, but many are NOT ok. So, IF I was a person who migrated to this country and seeing and reading everything that is happening, how do you think your post would be seen as someone like me, who does not feel safe?
These are policies set by the Trump administration. To vilify ICE because they are doing their job is wrong. Most times ICE is removing illegals that have criminal records. In my experience I have seen first hand an illegal rapist get removed. I do not support removing illegals who are here trying to make a living and are following the law. You accused me of gaslighting so again if you believe I am doing this please put me on ignore and you don't have to worry about it. I have told IC the same in the past. Thank you!
 
These are policies set by the Trump administration. To vilify ICE because they are doing their job is wrong. Most times ICE is removing illegals that have criminal records. In my experience I have seen first hand an illegal rapist get removed. I do not support removing illegals who are here trying to make a living and are following the law. You accused me of gaslighting so again if you believe I am doing this please put me on ignore and you don't have to worry about it. I have told IC the same in the past. Thank you!
No you haven't. You explicitly mocked me for putting you on ignore.
 
These are policies set by the Trump administration. To vilify ICE because they are doing their job is wrong. Most times ICE is removing illegals that have criminal records. In my experience I have seen first hand an illegal rapist get removed. I do not support removing illegals who are here trying to make a living and are following the law. You accused me of gaslighting so again if you believe I am doing this please put me on ignore and you don't have to worry about it. I have told IC the same in the past. Thank you!
About a month into the Trump administration we got figures about the demographics of deportation.

People accused of crimes were being deported at a 1.2X accelerated rate.

People convicted of crimes were being deported at a 1.4X accelerated rate.

People with no criminal record or active criminal investigations were being deported at a 4.3X accelerated rate.

You are factually fucking wrong about what is happening in this country. Because you are a fucking retard.
 
Here's the chart, I got some of those numbers slightly wrong but the broader conclusion stands.
 

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I have seen first hand an illegal rapist get removed.
Why do you think this is a good thing?

Once they're deported we no longer have any information about their whereabouts. We know this because that's what the father of the 2 year old deported to Honduras last week was told when he tried to get in touch with her mother. ICE told him they've already been released so they can't help him.

Meaning this rapist is walking free in another country and can just rape more people. That is not better than if we imprisoned them domestically. THAT would actually fucking protect people. Your preferred method puts foreigners at risk.

Guess you just don't care if sex crime happens as long as it doesn't happen to Americans.
 
These are policies set by the Trump administration. To vilify ICE because they are doing their job is wrong. Most times ICE is removing illegals that have criminal records. In my experience I have seen first hand an illegal rapist get removed. I do not support removing illegals who are here trying to make a living and are following the law. You accused me of gaslighting so again if you believe I am doing this please put me on ignore and you don't have to worry about it. I have told IC the same in the past. Thank you!

Have you ever read stories from people who have fled their countries to come here?
 
Have you ever read stories from people who have fled their countries to come here?
Let's be clear. Yes I have read the stories and yes it is heartbreaking. I believe the vast majority of people trying to immigrate here are good people trying to find a better life. I believe the illegal immigrants who are here and have not broken any laws should receive amnesty as long as they can support themselves. I believe the vast majority can as they are hard working people. Issue I have is sanctuary cities. Issue is there is no standard for a sanctuary city and some have refused to work with ICE in extraditing illegal immigrants who have broken other laws like battery and rape. I ask you, do you support the removal of illegal immigrants who have broken other laws like rape or murder? If so how do you prefer they get removed?
 
Let's be clear. Yes I have read the stories and yes it is heartbreaking. I believe the vast majority of people trying to immigrate here are good people trying to find a better life. I believe the illegal immigrants who are here and have not broken any laws should receive amnesty as long as they can support themselves. I believe the vast majority can as they are hard working people. Issue I have is sanctuary cities. Issue is there is no standard for a sanctuary city and some have refused to work with ICE in extraditing illegal immigrants who have broken other laws like battery and rape. I ask you, do you support the removal of illegal immigrants who have broken other laws like rape or murder? If so how do you prefer they get removed?
I do not support the removal of illegal immigrants who have raped or murdered. I support their incarceration in the United States, where we can ensure they do not rape or murder anyone else, including their fellow inmates.
 
Hi guys .. I am not sure what I was reading in this thread .. I just want to point out that IC isn't this guy y'all keep trying to paint him out to be.

The way the "republicans" on this site and other sites are being gleeful in their openness to attack posters is beyond frustrating.

We have a President WHO literally WELCOMES racism, sexism, misogyny, bigotry and just HATE all around. We have internet message forums like this one, the Range and the Zone, that WELCOME posters also fit these categories. What does THAT SAY about these sites??

ICR isn't the problem for pointing them out. I am as confused about that is happening in our country as is ICR .. I will say this, I am tired of seeing posters blame ICR when HE is not the problem, he is literally putting a flashlight on the problem.

Many people on these forum are entrenched in their own opinions that they are here just to post them and gaslight others, and are actually not here to LEARN.

Forum owners need to do better jobs with posters. When I see someone like tator say; "of course I'm joking, but you really need help" ... what more examples do the site owners need when addressing posters??

That POST right there was NOT OK.

When PEOPLE are ready to actually start discussing how to ADDRESS racism, sexism, misogyny, bigotry and just HATE all around maybe then America can be a better place.

My guess is people like tater will laugh and tell me I need to grow up or get over shit and these forums will continue being the same, and that is ALL because site owners don't have cultural fluency or restorative practices down pat themselves.
IC's problem is he makes an enemy of anyone who disagrees with him on ANY point. No one is allowed to have an opinion of their own and any reasoning for it, he just dismisses and then tells people they need to die, to kill themselves, etc.

Tater hates Trump as much as we all do. Hates the MAGAs but because he has some opinions that are different from ICR's, then he's automatically a Nazi.

It's not normal behavior.
He DOES need help and he knows it
 
He DOES need help and he knows it
Perhaps help like.....banning the person in the thread about illegitimate ICE raids who said they like ICE, know ICE agents, believe I don't belong in the US, and that they're going to report me to the government?

Or do you just mean help that doesn't inconvenience you?
 
Tater hates Trump as much as we all do. Hates the MAGAs but because he has some opinions that are different from ICR's, then he's automatically a Nazi.
No, not because his opinions are different from mine. Because they're

IDENTICAL

to fucking NAZIS

You can't claim that I need to treat these people like they have good reasons for the things they believe WHILE FUCKING IGNORING the explicit reasons I give for the things I believe
 
IC's problem is he makes an enemy of anyone who disagrees with him on ANY point.
It is not my problem if someone considers me their enemy if I am mean to them.

I was mean to Blondie back when she was saying she hopes Trump cuts SS and Medicare. Because it was, in my opinion, a callous and dangerous mindset.

And yet we're not enemies. Weird, right?

You keep telling me I need to grow up, but in this thread we have a poster who incited his own 2 year blood feud with me out of the fucking ether, a poster who would type paragraph-long rants about welfare recipients over being called a one-word slur, and a site owner who got so mad at me last night that he tripped over his chair sprinting to the podium to bitch about trans kids at the SLIGHTEST provocation (I don't like a podcaster).

Where are you telling JC, Tater, and yourself to have thicker skin? Can you show me those messages?
 
Oh, and what about Spiked? He flew off the handle at me because I told him the whole font thing was irritating. Was that ME making an enemy of HIM?
 
IC's problem
IC isn't a problem and I am not going to listen to ONE more person say HE is.

IC has a right, like everyone else to stand up for himself. This is AMERICA and we have FREE SPEECH, if I am going to log into YOUR website daily or whenever I do and see Daryl and JoeF and every other poster cheering on Trump and the MAGA party, I expect to see the POLAR opposite which is ICR to MAGA .. if YOU have a problem with that, not mine nor ICR problem.
 
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