swiper
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Are you kidding? Because, on it's face, it's one of the dumbest things you've ever written.
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swiper
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Wrong. There is no incentive to excel. You two are morons. Without incentives to excel in education, then no one cares and just goes through the motions every day.
swiper
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You truly are a short-sighted idiot to suggest this. For many reasons. First of all, because I was paying for it, I worked harder at my education. I paid my way through undergrad and medical school. I easily paid off more than $250,000 using my education. I earned it, so had no problem with it all.
Meanwhile you were taking your Prozac and weight loss pills and mommy bought you a computer so you could pimp your stupid ideas from the moldy corner of her basement. What color is the paneling on the wall?
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Tatertot78
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Great points everyone. IMO we are dealing with the Education Industrial Complex. Keep raising tuition so every college has the latest sports facilities. This is not about education but greed. The government can't fund an education system that is solely out for greed. It has to end and there needs to be an investigation by Congress but good luck with that. Here is an idea, how about Universities have to fund the student loans themselves. No banks and no government programs are allowed to be funded for tuition. Let's see how fast these colleges change their toon. Higher education is waaay overated with phony majors and courses taught by tenured whack jobs with no sense of reality. Yes there are good teachers/professors but there are a lot of bad ones.
ICRockets
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The incentive to excel comes from getting a degree, not from the amount of money you pay to take the course. If you want to take it for the education and don't care about completing a full suite of associated courses to earn credentials I think that's entirely valid.
ICRockets
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If you worked hard because of how much you paid and not because you wanted to be the best doctor you could be then I'm not sure you're the kind of person who should belong to that particular profession.You truly are a short-sighted idiot to suggest this. For many reasons. First of all, because I was paying for it, I worked harder at my education. I paid my way through undergrad and medical school. I easily paid off more than $250,000 using my education. I earned it, so had no problem with it all.
Meanwhile you were taking your Prozac and weight loss pills and mommy bought you a computer so you could pimp your stupid ideas from the moldy corner of her basement. What color is the paneling on the wall?
herodotus
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do me a favor and go pound saltYou truly are a short-sighted idiot to suggest this. For many reasons. First of all, because I was paying for it, I worked harder at my education. I paid my way through undergrad and medical school. I easily paid off more than $250,000 using my education. I earned it, so had no problem with it all.
Meanwhile you were taking your Prozac and weight loss pills and mommy bought you a computer so you could pimp your stupid ideas from the moldy corner of her basement. What color is the paneling on the wall?
What does the cost of tuition have to do with incentive?? Does it seem like there's a lot of incentive now?? Hell no.
ICRockets
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I don't think that's really relevant. If the class is a prerequisite for getting your degree then that's your skin in the game right there. If you aren't, then you're taking it of your own volition. You're demonstrably self-motivated, you know?
herodotus
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Okay, a few things:
1. A university education has never been about getting a job, its about developing through a focused discipline (history, biology, English, whatever) obtaining a greater understanding of the universal whole.
2. The go to university to get a job is mostly a scam. Hell, if your thing is to be an overpaid cultural barbarian like Mikgaes Kevorkian whose sole motivation is making money (getting up to go to work just to come home and get up again wash rinse repeat, something that makes me very workied for Mikgaes Kevorkian's mental health) then yeah, you probably SHOULD NOT go to college. In fact, if all you want is a job in a few years, don't even fucking waste your time or money, your's or someone else's, as you'd be better off going to a vocational program. If you have any mechanical aptitude or hand eye coordination learn and get certification at a trade school, join the military, get a union apprenticeship. If all you want a job and you insist on being a cultural barbarian and you aren't interested in the professions (law, medicine, teaching, social work etc) then please don't waste your time.
3. However, if you do seek to learn, if you do want to become cultured, if you do want to expand your mental horizons then you really should go to university. The incentive of college isn't you paid to hear a professor teach, its to learn something you really didn't. The incentive of going to university isn't that you paid for a course any more than the incentive of ordering Southside Mafia calzones is that you paid 60 dollars for it. Your incentive for eating there is they make great pies and calzones. You just happen to pay for them. Your incentive for going to university is to learn from people who know a lot on subjects you may find fascinating but do not know nearly as much as them yourself.
1. A university education has never been about getting a job, its about developing through a focused discipline (history, biology, English, whatever) obtaining a greater understanding of the universal whole.
2. The go to university to get a job is mostly a scam. Hell, if your thing is to be an overpaid cultural barbarian like Mikgaes Kevorkian whose sole motivation is making money (getting up to go to work just to come home and get up again wash rinse repeat, something that makes me very workied for Mikgaes Kevorkian's mental health) then yeah, you probably SHOULD NOT go to college. In fact, if all you want is a job in a few years, don't even fucking waste your time or money, your's or someone else's, as you'd be better off going to a vocational program. If you have any mechanical aptitude or hand eye coordination learn and get certification at a trade school, join the military, get a union apprenticeship. If all you want a job and you insist on being a cultural barbarian and you aren't interested in the professions (law, medicine, teaching, social work etc) then please don't waste your time.
3. However, if you do seek to learn, if you do want to become cultured, if you do want to expand your mental horizons then you really should go to university. The incentive of college isn't you paid to hear a professor teach, its to learn something you really didn't. The incentive of going to university isn't that you paid for a course any more than the incentive of ordering Southside Mafia calzones is that you paid 60 dollars for it. Your incentive for eating there is they make great pies and calzones. You just happen to pay for them. Your incentive for going to university is to learn from people who know a lot on subjects you may find fascinating but do not know nearly as much as them yourself.
sukie
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Oh now you are talking purely a course curriculum to obtain a degree… not just taking free classes for personal betterment.
sukie
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1. Bullshit. Sounds nice and incense filled utopian poetry but it’s bullshit. If one amasses college debt by trying to understand the universe… that’s nuts. There are skilled and highly paid degree holding individuals that try to break it down in books in the library.
2. The medical doctor -profession is arduous and takes years of study and training to qualify to sit for boards every decade to be skilled in treating dumb ashes that eat shitty foods while trying to figure out the fucking universe.
3. Library and YouTube videos. That’s all horizontal expansion seekers need. People need money to live. How they live indirectly depends on their money. College can offer degrees that are competitively sought out and make one a good living. My advice to my kid was don’t look for a career you love. Every job sucks. Just choose one that you don’t hate and pays well. He killed that last bit.
ICRockets
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Well if we're talking about nationalizing education then it makes sense for degree programs to also include free classes, right? Those become credentials that are being directly subsidized by the state. so that means that there's an overt civic interest in ensuring the people receiving those credentials are doing so based on merit, not based on financial access to the levers handing them out.
ICRockets
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No, that's a ludicrous statement. The scholars who write those books don't become "highly paid" on a rapid timeline post-graduation.
ICRockets
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No it isn't. Horizontal expansion seekers have no ability to determine for themselves whether the education they're receiving from the book industry or from a billion-dollar computer algorithm is actually credible, not just maximally marketable. The point of taking college courses is that there's an entire institution staking its entire reputation on their promise that it is.
Best post of the thread
sukie
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Why because colleges stake reputations? Now these institutions are suddenly no longer raping financially the very students seeking broader horizons? (sorry about the horizontal autocorrect) the screams of soul crushing debt on one page of this thread then golf clapping at the virtue of a glowing reputation on page two?
Universities… friend or foe here?
Economics 101 can be learned at home from a book BUT you don’t get “credit” unless you pay the tuition for 3 credit hours and attend reading from basically the same book… racking up mountains of debt as you go. Course after course. Naturally advanced studies and graduate work and associated laboratory bits are vital.
ICRockets
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This is completely schizophrenic. You can't complain about how you don't get credit unless you pay tuition when we're saying the solution is to make college tuition-free.