When will climate migration happen?

cookin_peacocks

cookin_peacocks

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I belong to a city development forum and each largish city has it's own sub. We track and discuss new developments in our city. Every year, we do a prediction thread for our city and region and see what happens and doesn't. One poster predicted that we (my state of Michigan) would see climate migration begin in earnest.

This got me thinking. When will it happen? Has it already started? Are we a few years away from it? What do the people here think?
 
cookin_peacocks said:
I belong to a city development forum and each largish city has it's own sub. We track and discuss new developments in our city. Every year, we do a prediction thread for our city and region and see what happens and doesn't. One poster predicted that we (my state of Michigan) would see climate migration begin in earnest.

This got me thinking. When will it happen? Has it already started? Are we a few years away from it? What do the people here think?
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Well we have been seeing this since 2004. Hell one of our current humanitarian crises was triggered by a combination of Shrub's stupid war in Iraq and climate change fueled crop failure in Syria and Russia. Syria from 2004 to 2010 have severe crop failures. Russia basically took care of their grain needs until 2010 when the Russian harvest failed. Horrible year of fires in the Moscow region, crop failure, and well Putin may be many things but he was astute enough to realize another famine like they had in the 20s, 30s, and 40s would lead to the collapse of his government. So he kept the surplus in Russia. Now class, ask yourselves, what happened in Syria in 2011?

That's right, food riots. The middle class in Syria was squeezed for food, bread prices soared and people took to the streets. Unless you are Stalin or Mao or one of the Kims which means you ruthlessly stamp out rebellion before it begins, food shortages will collapse your government and even if you are a ruthless dictator food shortages will topple you, ask Ceausescu or Assad. That's right, the Syrian civil war, refugee crises, all those human rights violations? All of them were triggered by climate change. Not just my opinion either:


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www.dw.com

How climate change paved the way to war in Syria – DW – 02/26/2021

Researchers agree that climate change alone cannot be blamed for the outbreak of war in Syria in 2011. However, neither can it be ignored as a reason the once blossoming country has become a parched, war-torn place.
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Now, climate change may not be enough alone to trigger these migrations but it is definitely a major factor.
 
Climate change… researchers say it’s the perfect scapegoat so to not take any responsibility for bad decisions.

Researchers also agree that Sudan is 2/3 desert with remaining third arid to semi arid. That’s its climate and it’s not changing.
 
Every place has some population that tends to move there. In Oregon, It's Californians. With the LA fires, I am sure we will see more as housing becomes too risky to insure let alone purchase. I'll just sit here with my 60 year old tract home in a good school district and collect the money as prices soar. Thank you, climate change, you'll make me rich.

Herodotus, I would look at Peoria because house prices dropped due to Caterpillar leaving. That or Bloomington. Both close so you can move back if you hate it.
 
OZAMATAZ BUCKSHANK said:
Every place has some population that tends to move there. In Oregon, It's Californians. With the LA fires, I am sure we will see more as housing becomes too risky to insure let alone purchase. I'll just sit here with my 60 year old tract home in a good school district and collect the money as prices soar. Thank you, climate change, you'll make me rich.

Herodotus, I would look at Peoria because house prices dropped due to Caterpillar leaving. That or Bloomington. Both close so you can move back if you hate it.
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Thanks, I just don't want to live in Kansas City anymore, it literally hurts too much.
 
herodotus said:
Thanks, I just don't want to live in Kansas City anymore, it literally hurts too much.
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Central IL is shit. @OZAMATAZ BUCKSHANK I lived in Peoria for 8 years and outside of Peoria, in racist, redneck Pekin, for the last 11. Central IL is under a bubble where housing is very affordable but Peoria is a crime-infested shithole. Worst city I've ever experienced. The whole damn city is one big, poorly managed ghetto. BUT, I paid $110k for my house and 3 yrs later, value is up 30 grand.

www.zillow.com

314 Sheridan Rd, Pekin, IL 61554 | Zillow

314 Sheridan Rd, Pekin IL, is a Single Family home that contains 1681 sq ft and was built in 1958.It contains 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $111,000 in September 2021. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $144,600, which has increased by $3,032 in the last 30 days.The...
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Actually, all of Central IL, from Galesburg straight through Peoria, Lincoln, Bloomington-Normal. Decatur, Champaign out Past the Danville area is shit. I hate the people here. The small towns look like they're falling down. Houses not kept up, junk everywhere.

N. Illinois is much nicer and Southern IL is backwoods hillbillyish but the people are great and the deep forests are beautiful but where I'm stuck, not good.
 
HipKat said:
Central IL is shit. @OZAMATAZ BUCKSHANK I lived in Peoria for 8 years and outside of Peoria, in racist, redneck Pekin, for the last 11. Central IL is under a bubble where housing is very affordable but Peoria is a crime-infested shithole. Worst city I've ever experienced. The whole damn city is one big, poorly managed ghetto. BUT, I paid $110k for my house and 3 yrs later, value is up 30 grand.

www.zillow.com

314 Sheridan Rd, Pekin, IL 61554 | Zillow

314 Sheridan Rd, Pekin IL, is a Single Family home that contains 1681 sq ft and was built in 1958.It contains 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $111,000 in September 2021. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $144,600, which has increased by $3,032 in the last 30 days.The...
www.zillow.com www.zillow.com

Actually, all of Central IL, from Galesburg straight through Peoria, Lincoln, Bloomington-Normal. Decatur, Champaign out Past the Danville area is shit. I hate the people here. The small towns look like they're falling down. Houses not kept up, junk everywhere.

N. Illinois is much nicer and Southern IL is backwoods hillbillyish but the people are great and the deep forests are beautiful but where I'm stuck, not good.
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I love west Michigan, but my god I hate the winter. But man, spring, summer, fall? Absolutely heaven. Got the lake a half hour away. Less than 3 hours to Chicago and Detroit.

It's light out 17 hours a day in June. Man. Just awesome. We need some more storms though. The lake just eats them up.
 
HipKat said:
Central IL is shit. @OZAMATAZ BUCKSHANK I lived in Peoria for 8 years and outside of Peoria, in racist, redneck Pekin, for the last 11. Central IL is under a bubble where housing is very affordable but Peoria is a crime-infested shithole. Worst city I've ever experienced. The whole damn city is one big, poorly managed ghetto. BUT, I paid $110k for my house and 3 yrs later, value is up 30 grand.

www.zillow.com

314 Sheridan Rd, Pekin, IL 61554 | Zillow

314 Sheridan Rd, Pekin IL, is a Single Family home that contains 1681 sq ft and was built in 1958.It contains 2 bedrooms and 2 bathrooms.This home last sold for $111,000 in September 2021. The Zestimate for this Single Family is $144,600, which has increased by $3,032 in the last 30 days.The...
www.zillow.com www.zillow.com

Actually, all of Central IL, from Galesburg straight through Peoria, Lincoln, Bloomington-Normal. Decatur, Champaign out Past the Danville area is shit. I hate the people here. The small towns look like they're falling down. Houses not kept up, junk everywhere.

N. Illinois is much nicer and Southern IL is backwoods hillbillyish but the people are great and the deep forests are beautiful but where I'm stuck, not good.
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That house would be $650K and gone in a week with overprice bids in my neck of the woods. I only know Peoria from my brother-in-law, but he's a retired doctor so he lives a nice neighborhood. That and butter burgers. That's all I know.
 
OZAMATAZ BUCKSHANK said:
That house would be $650K and gone in a week with overprice bids in my neck of the woods. I only know Peoria from my brother-in-law, but he's a retired doctor so he lives a nice neighborhood. That and butter burgers. That's all I know.
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Oh yeah. I have people talk about retiring to like, TN and I tell them my house would be 3-4 times more in small towns, like Oak Ridge. I paid $3,000 over asking price, was the first bid and had my Ernest money paid by 5PM the same day
 
HipKat said:
Oh yeah. I have people talk about retiring to like, TN and I tell them my house would be 3-4 times more in small towns, like Oak Ridge. I paid $3,000 over asking price, was the first bid and had my Ernest money paid by 5PM the same day
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www.zillow.com

18021 Tualata Ave, Lake Oswego, OR 97035 | MLS #24651023 | Zillow

This 1410 square feet Single Family home has 3 bedrooms and 1 bathroom. It is located at 18021 Tualata Ave, Lake Oswego, OR.
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Here's a current listing near me. $570K is a pretty low find right about now.
 
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