Happy Ending In Syria?

not the FSB or whatever the KGB has rebranded itself as either. Not Iranian or Turkish or Saudi or Jordanian Intel either. No not Egypt, not Lebanon, not Iraq, Qatar, or Yemen, or the UAE, or Ethiopia or Somalia or Sudan. Not M15 or M16 or the French or Germans or Italians.
 

Wouldn't surprise me.

Their former Prime Minister Begin was an admitted terrorist.

However, we live in a world now where only the American Administration gets to determine who is a terrorist and who isn't.

For example, Iran is a terrorist state but Israel is not.
 
Wouldn't surprise me.

Their former Prime Minister Begin was an admitted terrorist.

However, we live in a world now where only the American Administration gets to determine who is a terrorist and who isn't.

For example, Iran is a terrorist state but Israel is not.
Frankly, Iraqn (I would correct that but the autocorrect's cynicism matches my own) is merely trying to protect its interest. As far as Syria, some questions and observations:

1. I am sorry to disappoint ICR but Assad and his family are in Moscow.
2. I would love to see the transcripts of the phone calls and correspondence that led to this. I know Russia and Iran are busy with other issues, but they almost didn't even bat an eye. I wanna know what Nutjobyahoo, Erdogan, Blinken, Lavrov, Assad, and the Iranian foreign minister agreed to.
3. An army hasn't folded like this before such a weak force since November 1917. I am reminded of the criminally underrated Nicholas and Alexandra (1970) where Kerensky asks, how many do they have? One of his ministers replies, if we had one loyal regiment (about 5000 men) we could stop them. Now to be sure, I think they were just tired. A decade or more of war will do that. They also were conscripts paid 10 dollars a day. Also, Assad is an Alawite, and Syria is still very tribal and the Alawites only constitute about 10 percent of the population so a lot of these guys had no skin in the game. That said, how the hell do you lose an army in 2 weeks?
 
Oh joy, Assad is gone but now Nazi Netenyahu gets to expand his reich into Syria. He annexes Lebanon and now he and his proxies are in Syria too. I'd pop the champagne but well this is just terriblr.
Putinesue land-grab
 
Umm Afghanistan, 2021
True, but I would say the comparison to Imperial Russia is better and the provisional government is better. Lemme explain. The government we installed in Kabul in 2001 (by the way, while I don't think we have been in too many just wars, I do say that at least until we killed Bin Laden the war in Afghanistan was just) never had any legitimacy. It was really never a surprise that it fell, its national army that we trained was always running into the hills to join the Taliban and other elements in country. Kharzai was given the euphemism, Mayor of Kabul as the government we put in never really had that much power in the countryside. Assad? Well his family had staying power. A half century in power means you have an authoritarian aristocracy but it means you have staying power. Sure sure, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden all called it illigitimate and said Assad has to go, but it had staying power. To be sure after about 2014 the Russians and Iranians took over their defense and the Assad government never really got around to resolving the issues impacting its people that started about 2003 when a certain superpower decided Saddam had to go. Let me give you a short timeline of what started the Syrian Civil War:

1. 2003-2006, Iraq war causes lots of people to flee across the border to Syria. Syria, as some may or may not be aware is a desert country. This means that in good times its able to grow enough food to take care of its population. A refugee crisis? Ehhh, that's not gonna help matters

2. 2006-2011. I know, I know, Sukie buy climate change but climate change caused major problems. I'll see if I can find that study IIRC from the UN, but no matter. Syria saw its population increase and it saw its worst drought in decades. As it so happened, at the same time it was going through drought, Russia was too and its crops failed to meet expectation. Russia's government -deciding it didn't want a repeat of the the famines of the late 40s, early 30s, and early 1920s decided that it would keep the grain for its people. At the same time, the US and EU wanted to tighten the screws on Assad and control his oil and so they denied him aid.

3. 2011 the civil war starts. Stagnant economy, stagnant wages, and costs of food soar across Syria. Assad being an authoritarian sends in the army. The conscript army is very tribal and so often the garrisons were called in to shoot their own kin and so they shot their commanders instead and/or their commanders joined the protestors

4. Radical Islamicists who had seized control of much of Iraq, most of whom were former Iraqi Army troops (you know before Bush decided that it would be nice to disband the old Baathist army without pay and make sure they could take their guns with them, if you aren't going to pay someone to at least not shoot you why the fuck would you let them keep their guns?*), decided that they would help out their brothers against that Alawite infidel poured into Syria.

5. Various munition dumps were seized by ISIS. Both sides started using chemical weaponry. Obama decided Assad had to go for humanitarian reasons. I don't blame him for that. However, given how fucking convoluted that civil war was (almost as complex as the Russian civil war which had whites, foreign interventionalists (the browns), the blacks (anarchists), the greens (peasants, mostly from Ukraine) and the reds) we really should have offered mediation and other than making sure humanitarian aid (food and medicines) got in and munition dumps were taken out of action We talked with the Russians and Turks and fucked that country over good and hard. Russia wanted to keep its base on the Med. Go back into the Zone archives and you will see that I predicted Putin would be fine with Assad going so long as he could keep Tartus. Turkey wanted to bitch slap the Kurds, and we wanted the sweet oil deposits. So you got this fucked up situation where Turks were killing kurds, we were arming Kurds, Russians were supporting Assad, the pentagon was funding one group of rebels and the CIA was actually funding a group of rebels that was shooting a group of rebels backed by the pentagon. It was a fucking mess.

6. Putin decided to show his muscle. So did Iran. So did we. Basically we reached understanding (we meaning all the beligerents other than ISIS) that the US would back the Kurds in the oil rich areas of eastern Syria. The Turks and their non Kurd proxies would occupy lands in the north of Syria, the Russians would bomb anti government groups we and Turkey didn't fully support and for the most part we all avoided bombing and killing each other there. There's even pics taken as late as 2023 of US and Russians cooperating in Syria. Yeah it was fucking mess

7. The clusterfuck remained fairly stable until October 7, 2023 when Hamas (likely at the behest of Netenyahu) launched a wave of terrorism that Netenyahu used as an excuse to crush the Palestinians, knock out Lebanon, suckerpunch the Iranians and drive out Assad and so here we are.

So yeah as I said, Assad was -other than in statements of the western press- seen by most of the world and his own people as legitimate. However, I think like Ceausescu before him he wore out his welcome at home and his foreign partners were too busy with their own issues. The fundamental rule, as Nicholas II, Kerenksy, the Republic of Vietnam, Honecker, Kharzai, etc have shown is if your legitimacy is based on foreign aid and not your monopoly on violence you are fucked. Kharzai and his successors were never seen as legitimate. Assad was, the thing to study is why he lost that legitimacy. Crane Brinton's Anatomy of a Revolution could provide some insight to that.
 
Oh joy, Assad is gone but now Nazi Netenyahu gets to expand his reich into Syria. He annexes Lebanon and now he and his proxies are in Syria too. I'd pop the champagne but well this is just terriblr.
He’s going to Iran, so do you think Trump backs him??
 
He’s going to Iran, so do you think Trump backs him??
Of course he will, be they Republican or Democrat our elected and appointed officials will always be Israel's bitch. Really though, I want to see the transcripts of the phone calls, telegrams, emails, and meetings that led to the "grand bargain" in Syria. There was some brilliant diplomacy there. I didn't say benevolent, altruistic, or humanitarian, but I said brilliant for indeed it was. Russia keeps the only thing they wanted in country, Tartus (yeah your sign of their involvement was just how quickly the new Syrian flag rose over the Syrian embassy in Moscow) and they are no longer tied down to an unwinnable situation there.

The Turks? they get to colonize half the country.

Us? We get the sweet sweet oil, you and I can celebrate by paying more for gas. For those who say otherwise remember some people, especially conservatives, said if Iraq was about oil, why are we paying more? Well, those financial gains were never intended to passed to the consumer, unless the consumer had shares in those companies.

Israel? The Palestinians are in for the worst stretch in their history. Netanyahu, and again I didn't say he was good (I find him to be the essence of evil), in the past year has used Hamas, a terrorist group the Israeli government founded to deligitimize the Palestinian freedom movement, to silence opposition to his policies among Israelis, crushed any hope the Palestinians had at statehood, and essentially destroyed Iran as a regional player. Israel will now have control over Lebanon and Syria including possibly Damascus and there will be not one sanction, banned athlete or celebrity, and no UN resolution condemning them. Anyways, they are currently destroying every Iranian and former Syrian government controlled military base, munitions dump, and armaments factory.

How do I know there was a grand bargain? Well lets see Assad is in Moscow but he went there after telling his army to lay down their arms. They didn't even fight. They moved from orderly retreat a couple weeks ago to tossing aside their uniforms and armor and fleeing in panic last week. There are strong indications that they were odered by the highest levels of the Assad government to do this. About that government, his PM and cabinet are going to be a part of the new government.

The only question is how long will this grand bargain last. Per Biden we still consider many who took Damascus to be terrorists. The Turks hate the kurds and we back them (as it so happens they are our friends in the oil lands of eastern Syria). Israel wants to crush the same sort of radicals that deposed Assad and they have to be careful because Russian forces are based at a few bases they are bombing.

So yeah its going to be interesting to see how this came about and what goes on from here
 
Of course he will, be they Republican or Democrat our elected and appointed officials will always be Israel's bitch. Really though, I want to see the transcripts of the phone calls, telegrams, emails, and meetings that led to the "grand bargain" in Syria. There was some brilliant diplomacy there. I didn't say benevolent, altruistic, or humanitarian, but I said brilliant for indeed it was. Russia keeps the only thing they wanted in country, Tartus (yeah your sign of their involvement was just how quickly the new Syrian flag rose over the Syrian embassy in Moscow) and they are no longer tied down to an unwinnable situation there.

The Turks? they get to colonize half the country.

Us? We get the sweet sweet oil, you and I can celebrate by paying more for gas. For those who say otherwise remember some people, especially conservatives, said if Iraq was about oil, why are we paying more? Well, those financial gains were never intended to passed to the consumer, unless the consumer had shares in those companies.

Israel? The Palestinians are in for the worst stretch in their history. Netanyahu, and again I didn't say he was good (I find him to be the essence of evil), in the past year has used Hamas, a terrorist group the Israeli government founded to deligitimize the Palestinian freedom movement, to silence opposition to his policies among Israelis, crushed any hope the Palestinians had at statehood, and essentially destroyed Iran as a regional player. Israel will now have control over Lebanon and Syria including possibly Damascus and there will be not one sanction, banned athlete or celebrity, and no UN resolution condemning them. Anyways, they are currently destroying every Iranian and former Syrian government controlled military base, munitions dump, and armaments factory.

How do I know there was a grand bargain? Well lets see Assad is in Moscow but he went there after telling his army to lay down their arms. They didn't even fight. They moved from orderly retreat a couple weeks ago to tossing aside their uniforms and armor and fleeing in panic last week. There are strong indications that they were odered by the highest levels of the Assad government to do this. About that government, his PM and cabinet are going to be a part of the new government.

The only question is how long will this grand bargain last. Per Biden we still consider many who took Damascus to be terrorists. The Turks hate the kurds and we back them (as it so happens they are our friends in the oil lands of eastern Syria). Israel wants to crush the same sort of radicals that deposed Assad and they have to be careful because Russian forces are based at a few bases they are bombing.

So yeah its going to be interesting to see how this came about and what goes on from here






that last 2 articles is from some alt right website Sparty posted on the zone
 






that last 2 articles is from some alt right website Sparty posted on the zone
Unz? Damn, there is alternative news sources and then there's unz. He's gone off the deep end.
 
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