Trump Condemns Trans Prisoners to Death

Trump restores single-sex prisons, sending male inmates who identify as women back to men’s facilities​

President Donald Trump has reinstated single-sex prison policies, resulting in the transfer of male inmates who identify as women back to male facilities.

According to a report by the New York Times, approximately 1,500 male federal prisoners identifying as women will be redirected to men’s facilities following President Trump’s executive order aimed at establishing single-sex prisons.

This executive order, titled “Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government,” also terminates transgender-related medical procedures for incarcerated individuals.

The Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF), a feminist organization advocating for single-sex prison systems and raising awareness regarding the vulnerability of incarcerated women to male violence,

has characterized President Trump’s decision as a significant victory. Currently, WoLF is actively engaged in efforts to challenge California legislation that permits inmates to request placement in facilities based on their gender identity rather than their biological sex.

Mr. Trump’s directive aligns with assertions that efforts to eliminate the biological reality of sex fundamentally undermine the dignity, safety, and well-being of women.

Advocates representing transgender individuals and inmates have criticized this order, asserting that it will place vulnerable populations at an increased risk of harm.

Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, which has advocated for transgender prisoners, stated, “There will be rapes and physical assaults as a result of this policy.”

She further noted the adverse impact on prison officials, who currently possess the discretion to determine the most appropriate measures for ensuring the safety and security of their facilities.

Legal experts have indicated that this directive is likely to face challenges in the judicial system.

Federal courts have established that prison systems have an obligation to protect vulnerable inmates and have also ruled that they must provide medical care,

including hormone therapies, to individuals diagnosed with gender dysphoria—the psychological distress arising from a dissonance between one’s physical body and gender identity.

In 2022, a federal district judge in Illinois mandated that the bureau provide gender-transition surgery to a transgender inmate, concluding that the denial of such treatment likely constituted a violation of the Eighth Amendment, which ensures the right to necessary medical care.
 
So then it's not a mental illness. The comparison you're making is not one that holds water. Trans women ARE women, so you're not enabling anything unhealthy by affirming that.
Then I’m a dinosaur. Cause I truly believe in my mind that I’m a pterodactyl. If I dress up like a pterodactyl and live my life in a tree, you’re gonna tell me I have a mental illness.
 
Don’t get me wrong, I have no desire to pee on anybody living their lives unless they’re doing something immoral or illegal. But like the examples I used if we give free drugs to drug addicts are we just letting them live their lives? And are those lives we want them to leave?
Actually, such a program for drug addicts has been tested and been successful. No overdoses, safe needles and such.
 
Actually, such a program for drug addicts has been tested and been successful. No overdoses, safe needles and such.
The problem is that they’re still drug addicts. It’s not treating the addiction, it’s enabling it, and if you think the only place that many of them are getting their free drugs from the free drug outreach centers, and not still buying it on the streets, then I would say you’re mistaken.

This is the kind of thinking that I don’t understand. Let’s just let them be drug addicts, and I don’t believe that the government should be in the business of being drug dealers.
 
Then I’m a dinosaur. Cause I truly believe in my mind that I’m a pterodactyl. If I dress up like a pterodactyl and live my life in a tree, you’re gonna tell me I have a mental illness.
Pterodactyl isn't a gender.

You just said you understand there's a difference between sex and gender. Don't backtrack now just so you don't have to admit I've been right all along.
 
Pterodactyl isn't a gender.

You just said you understand there's a difference between sex and gender. Don't backtrack now just so you don't have to admit I've been right all along.
And what I also said is that one is just a label. If I’m at the deli and I cut some chicken and label it ham, does that make it ham?
 
The problem is that they’re still drug addicts. It’s not treating the addiction, it’s enabling it, and if you think the only place that many of them are getting their free drugs from the free drug outreach centers, and not still buying it on the streets, then I would say you’re mistaken.

This is the kind of thinking that I don’t understand. Let’s just let them be drug addicts, and I don’t believe that the government should be in the business of being drug dealers.
The outreach centers also include rehab/addiction treatment. The logic is that you can't force someone to get clean. It has to be their decision. So you provide them a "judgment-free zone" for lack of a better term where they know they can get help when they're ready, but until then they have access to substances that keep them from going into withdrawal.
 
Well, I think the therapy needs to be pointed in a different direction. and I don’t know what SSRI is.
No, you're not understanding me. I'm talking about basic mental health resources. SSRIs are anti-depressants.

If suicide prevention isn't important to you, let's just get rid of them.
 
No, you're not understanding me. I'm talking about basic mental health resources. SSRIs are anti-depressants.

If suicide prevention isn't important to you, let's just get rid of them.
No, suicide prevention is important to me. And we’ve had this argument before. Trans. People after transitioning to many cases still commit suicide.
 
No, suicide prevention is important to me. And we’ve had this argument before. Trans. People after transitioning to many cases still commit suicide.
And people going to therapy and taking anti-depressants in many cases still commit suicide.

Argument stands. If "all trans care does is prevent suicide" then if you don't want trans care you can't want therapy or SSRIs either.
 
I agree, but the argument you’ll get is that trans health is as important as any other type of healthcare.
It is BUT other health related issues/procedures are NOT covered by insurance. If someone needs braces or other oral care it is not always covered. How about weight loss drugs and dysmorphias from being over weight... People pay out of pocket... Not all cancer patients receive coverage and must pay out of pocket. I can go on and on. But yet Trans should get special treatment for coverage. Why? People die because lack of coverage for certain diseases. People don't die because they can't afford trans surgery. It's a fact.... I know you are just bringing up the other side and I appreciate that.
 
Hip, I'm not trying to change your mind. But I hope you can take my posts, and ICs and consider them. I think, or hope, once you do, you'll be able to consider being an ally. Just an open mind
 
Hip, I'm not trying to change your mind. But I hope you can take my posts, and ICs and consider them. I think, or hope, once you do, you'll be able to consider being an ally. Just an open mind
I'm not an enemy. I just have my views on it and you guys have yours. Neither of us will change out opinions and I respect that.
 
I'm not an enemy. I just have my views on it and you guys have yours. Neither of us will change out opinions and I respect that.
Okay but you have to understand why we wouldn't respect it, right? If someone thought black people were biologically inferior and said they wouldn't change their mind, that wouldn't be something to respect either.
 
Okay but you have to understand why we wouldn't respect it, right? If someone thought black people were biologically inferior and said they wouldn't change their mind, that wouldn't be something to respect either.
Black people are born Black. Trans people decide to be Trans
 
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