Trump Condemns Trans Prisoners to Death

Trump restores single-sex prisons, sending male inmates who identify as women back to men’s facilities​

Trump restores single-sex prisons, sending male inmates who identify as women back to men’s facilities

President Donald Trump has reinstated single-sex prison policies, resulting in the transfer of male inmates who identify as women back to male facilities.

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President Donald Trump has reinstated single-sex prison policies, resulting in the transfer of male inmates who identify as women back to male facilities.

According to a report by the New York Times, approximately 1,500 male federal prisoners identifying as women will be redirected to men’s facilities following President Trump’s executive order aimed at establishing single-sex prisons.

This executive order, titled “Defending Women From Gender Ideology Extremism and Restoring Biological Truth to the Federal Government,” also terminates transgender-related medical procedures for incarcerated individuals.

The Women’s Liberation Front (WoLF), a feminist organization advocating for single-sex prison systems and raising awareness regarding the vulnerability of incarcerated women to male violence,

has characterized President Trump’s decision as a significant victory. Currently, WoLF is actively engaged in efforts to challenge California legislation that permits inmates to request placement in facilities based on their gender identity rather than their biological sex.

Mr. Trump’s directive aligns with assertions that efforts to eliminate the biological reality of sex fundamentally undermine the dignity, safety, and well-being of women.

Advocates representing transgender individuals and inmates have criticized this order, asserting that it will place vulnerable populations at an increased risk of harm.

Shannon Minter, legal director of the National Center for Lesbian Rights, which has advocated for transgender prisoners, stated, “There will be rapes and physical assaults as a result of this policy.”

She further noted the adverse impact on prison officials, who currently possess the discretion to determine the most appropriate measures for ensuring the safety and security of their facilities.

Legal experts have indicated that this directive is likely to face challenges in the judicial system.

Federal courts have established that prison systems have an obligation to protect vulnerable inmates and have also ruled that they must provide medical care,

including hormone therapies, to individuals diagnosed with gender dysphoria—the psychological distress arising from a dissonance between one’s physical body and gender identity.

In 2022, a federal district judge in Illinois mandated that the bureau provide gender-transition surgery to a transgender inmate, concluding that the denial of such treatment likely constituted a violation of the Eighth Amendment, which ensures the right to necessary medical care.

 

[ICRockets]

Why can't you accept that the same thing happens in some people who choose to identify as Trans?

Of course it does. Who gives a shit? Even in your worst case scenario 97% of trans people do not detransition. OF THE 3% THAT DO, the data indicates that most do so not because they don't identify as trans anymore but because of socioeconomic pressure.

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE that the number would be increasing because TRANSPHOBIA IS INCREASING.

People like you are the reason more people are detransitioning. People like you are making their lives worse.

 

[ICRockets]

That's my view on the Trans issue. I've actually taken a step forward by admitting some people are truly and genetically Trans. But many are misled by social pressure, peer pressure, a vigorous medical and support community that is quick to latch onto anyone they can to push through the process based on financial gain or over-zealous advocacy.

The WPATH guidelines require 6 months of therapy where the patient displays "consistent, insistent, and persistent" identification as a gender that does not correspond with the sex they were assigned at birth to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and approved for medical transition.

Prior to that, the only transition that happens is social. Trying out new names, new pronouns, new clothes, new hairstyles, etc.

Can there be isolated instances where doctors may not follow those guidelines? Yes. That happens. That happens in every field of medicine in fucking existence. Objecting to that is vastly different from objecting to the standard of care.

If your position were simply "I think we should follow the WPATH standard of care" then congratulations, we all agree.

But that isn't your position.

Your position is that you think those first 6 months of therapy should be spent either a) actively trying to convince patients they're not trans or b) withholding affirmation from the patient until the 6 months have elapsed and THEN calling them by their preferred pronouns, name, etc.

The first is conversion therapy and has literally never been proven to work at scale and has literally always proven to have broadly negative effects. I think you probably, if push came to shove, would be comfortable accepting that I'm correct on this point.

But you have difficulty doing so because you think you shouldn't have to if I don't accept B as a compromise position.

I've explained before why it isn't a rational compromise. The affirmative-care model works because therapy can't be effective if the patient doesn't trust the therapist. If your lived experience is being disrespected by the therapist, even if they try to do so as politely and cautiously as possible, you're going to stop wanting to go to that therapist. You're not going to respect their advice. You're not going to "do the work" as it were. It makes it HARDER to diagnose what you consider "real" gender dysphoria because that dynamic between therapist and patient is going to make the patient FEEL WORSE. So where you may be able to isolate gender dysphoria as the thing affecting their mental health, you may instead make an assessment that actually you're matching a lot of the symptoms I see for clinical depression, so that's my professional diagnosis and we need to deal with that first....but have it be a situation where your approach is what is exacerbating the depression symptoms. That is why the affirmative-care model exists. It's about controlling variables and fostering the best environments possible for healing.

 

[JC-3122]

WTF is the silver thing?

A microscope, to look for the little “nuts”..

 

[HipKat]

Of course it does. Who gives a shit? Even in your worst case scenario 97% of trans people do not detransition. OF THE 3% THAT DO, the data indicates that most do so not because they don't identify as trans anymore but because of socioeconomic pressure.

IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE that the number would be increasing because TRANSPHOBIA IS INCREASING.

People like you are the reason more people are detransitioning. People like you are making their lives worse.

Nope, not people like me because I do NOT actively communicate with Trans people.

 

[HipKat]

The WPATH guidelines require 6 months of therapy where the patient displays "consistent, insistent, and persistent" identification as a gender that does not correspond with the sex they were assigned at birth to be diagnosed with gender dysphoria and approved for medical transition.

Prior to that, the only transition that happens is social. Trying out new names, new pronouns, new clothes, new hairstyles, etc.

Can there be isolated instances where doctors may not follow those guidelines? Yes. That happens. That happens in every field of medicine in fucking existence. Objecting to that is vastly different from objecting to the standard of care.

If your position were simply "I think we should follow the WPATH standard of care" then congratulations, we all agree.

But that isn't your position.

Your position is that you think those first 6 months of therapy should be spent either a) actively trying to convince patients they're not trans or b) withholding affirmation from the patient until the 6 months have elapsed and THEN calling them by their preferred pronouns, name, etc.

The first is conversion therapy and has literally never been proven to work at scale and has literally always proven to have broadly negative effects. I think you probably, if push came to shove, would be comfortable accepting that I'm correct on this point.

But you have difficulty doing so because you think you shouldn't have to if I don't accept B as a compromise position.

I've explained before why it isn't a rational compromise. The affirmative-care model works because therapy can't be effective if the patient doesn't trust the therapist. If your lived experience is being disrespected by the therapist, even if they try to do so as politely and cautiously as possible, you're going to stop wanting to go to that therapist. You're not going to respect their advice. You're not going to "do the work" as it were. It makes it HARDER to diagnose what you consider "real" gender dysphoria because that dynamic between therapist and patient is going to make the patient FEEL WORSE. So where you may be able to isolate gender dysphoria as the thing affecting their mental health, you may instead make an assessment that actually you're matching a lot of the symptoms I see for clinical depression, so that's my professional diagnosis and we need to deal with that first....but have it be a situation where your approach is what is exacerbating the depression symptoms. That is why the affirmative-care model exists. It's about controlling variables and fostering the best environments possible for healing.

First I do not support conversion therapy as it's just another form of brainwashing. And that 6 months - using your timeline as I've never used a timeline should be used, not total people out of transitioning but determining every aspect of why and any other possible influences their decision to transition,

 

[HipKat]

So show me your science.

The neuroscience of adolescent decision-making - PMC

Adolescence is a phase of lifespan associated with greater independence, and thus greater demands to make self-guided decisions in the face of risks, uncertainty, and varying proximal and distal outcomes. A new wave of developmental research takes a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[ICRockets]

The neuroscience of adolescent decision-making - PMC

Adolescence is a phase of lifespan associated with greater independence, and thus greater demands to make self-guided decisions in the face of risks, uncertainty, and varying proximal and distal outcomes. A new wave of developmental research takes a ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Trans youth don't decide unilaterally whether or not to medically transition. The decision is made in consultation with their families and doctors.

 

[ICRockets]

First I do not support conversion therapy as it's just another form of brainwashing. And that 6 months - using your timeline as I've never used a timeline should be used, not total people out of transitioning but determining every aspect of why and any other possible influences their decision to transition,

It is. That's how it works. In the meantime, you affirm their identity for the reasons I laid out above.

 

[ICRockets]

Nope, not people like me because I do NOT actively communicate with Trans people.

And you think the Heritage Foundation makes a habit of doing so?

 

[herodotus]

Why does Trump want to persecute LGBTQ+ so much? Granted I don't understand non binanry and trans, but everyone deserves to be treated with dignity and decency regardless of whether you understand someone or not. So really, I don't get Trump's hate. Unless he wants to build a wing at the men's prison where these people will be protected so they won't get beaten or murdered then I don't understand this decision.

 

[ICRockets]

Dysophoria is a mental condition. Gender dysporia is a mental illness for billing purposes only so insurance may cover care.

Mental illness and mental disorder are the same thing but one is less stigmatizing. Just like alcoholism is a compulsive disorder along with a chemical addictive part but it is diagnosed as a disease , again, for billing and coverage purposes.

Interesting video elaborating on this:

 

[HipKat]

This has nothing to do with the topic at hand. Trans youth don't decide unilaterally whether or not to medically transition. The decision is made in consultation with their families and doctors.

It has everything to do with adolescents making complex decisions that have a profound effect on their lives.

 

[HipKat]

And you think the Heritage Foundation makes a habit of doing so?

Yes, I actually do think they put people in place to have direct contact, online and in the world, with people Trans people

 

[ICRockets]

Yes, I actually do think they put people in place to have direct contact, online and in the world, with people Trans people

You think the authors of Project 2025 talked to trans people before writing it?

Are you trolling?

 

[HipKat]

You think the authors of Project 2025 talked to trans people before writing it?

Are you trolling?

I think you're moving the goalposts slightly but yes, I think that just like with politics, Social Media has been infiltrated in most communities, including the LGBTQ and Trans communities by manipulative groups with destructive and evil intentions

 

[ICRockets]

I think you're moving the goalposts slightly but yes, I think that just like with politics, Social Media has been infiltrated in most communities, including the LGBTQ and Trans communities by manipulative groups with destructive and evil intentions

Okay so you're talking about direct bullying. I understand now.

 

[ICRockets]

It has everything to do with adolescents making complex decisions that have a profound effect on their lives.

But adolescent decision making has nothing to do with the topic because BEING trans isn't a CHOICE so the only DECISION they're making is whether or not to transition, and that isn't something trans kids come to lightly. A study a couple years ago said they can wait up to NINE YEARS before coming out. These are KIDS who had already known on some level that they were trans for a DECADE.